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Old 01-23-2013, 01:52   #21
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A responsible small limited government message will win but some here think being conservative means being a bible thumper who has some right to impose their will on others
One political analyst summed up the problem in a very succinct way:

You now your party has a problem with it's message when your wife says:

"Hey... that republican candidate who said all those stupid things about women and rape didn't get re elected....."

And you have to ask:

WHICH CANDIDATE?
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:05   #22
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For all those who wish to blame the Tea Party (ie: conservatives) for the Republican's failure
http://blogcritics.org/politics/arti...-helped-obama/

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Tea Party extremism failed to capture the Senate in 2010 and caused the Republicans to fail once again in 2012. Not only that, but some of the main firebrands in the Tea Party caucus woke up the day after the election without a job, kicked to the curb by voters as quickly as they were voted in:


http://www.concordmonitor.com/home/2...gop-republican

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Now that the people have spoken, what have they told us about our political system?
The answer is simple. The Tea Party is the problem.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...rst-enemy.html

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The Tea Party: the GOP's Own Worst Enemy

http://www.shelbystar.com/opinion/co...ailure-1.60518

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Tea Party was cause of GOP failure
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2084506.html

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Tea Party Election Results: Conservative Movement Of 2010 Takes Pounding In 2012

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/opinio...rty/index.html

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What the tea party cost the GOP

http://www.ohio.com/blogs/mass-destr...party-1.347738



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012...ul-of-the-gop/

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Old 01-24-2013, 07:24   #23
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You could not be more wrong. Reagan's landslide victories were expressly because of the infamous "Big Tent" where by he expanded the GOP platform to include more mainstream voters.
The Big Tent did not mean inviting liberals into the party or moving to the middle. It meant welcoming conservatives, libertarians, moderates and casual voters of all stripes that saw merit in conservative ideals of small gov't on the heels of Carter's horrible inflationary policies that originated from a Democrat initiated war in Vietnam. Are you suggesting Reagan was a moderate? Let's keep in mind that the GOP of Reagan is a far cry from the GOP of GWB and Romney. You're comparing apples and oranges. You really need to learn political history before you spout off bs implying that Reagan's Big Tent was about selling out to the left. Im happy to engage you on a political historical discussion if you wish.

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The Tea party is a bunch of bitter, angry reactionaries who have given up on any kind of reason or compromise and simply move forward saying:

We're tired of discussion. Our opinions are right, our particular religion is right, and we DEMAND that Americas laws and government be changed to reflect our views.
And liberals are a bunch of poor, uneducated, gimme-somethin-fer-nothin leeches. See, I can play the ad hominem game too. My statement is no more true than yours though. Your post sounds straight from HuffPo, written by someone that knows nothing about the Tea Party. First, which Tea Party are you talking about? Surely you're in tune enough to know that the Tea Party isn't a centralized political group. It's many different factions with differing idealogies that all support sane fiscal policy and low taxation.

In case you missed it, the original Tea Party idealogy *is* right because it's based on the founding principles that created the most prosperous nation in history. It's, at the very least, better than the socialist idealogy that has failed repeatedly throughout history, to much pain and suffering.

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And you see EXACTLY where that got the GOP in the last election.
No I don't see it, seeing how the GOP nominee was no different than Obama and the GOP will always lose if it puts up a liberal against another liberal. 40% of the country didn't vote for either nominee. I have stated that the GOP needs to be less religion centric but that's the only point I can agree with you on in your entire post.

(Btw, I always love people that make entire posts like yours above that simply link to other people's opinions instead of forming and explaining your own. Makes you look like you're incapable of thinking for yourself. Seems like a reasonable conclusion if your other posts are any indication.)

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Old 01-24-2013, 09:39   #24
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I wish we had Regan in office today. I crossed party line to vote for him and for that I will never apologize.
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Old 01-24-2013, 16:03   #25
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I wish we had Regan in office today. I crossed party line to vote for him and for that I will never apologize.
If Reagan were running today, the hardline, no compromise types on this board would label him a RINO and refuse to cast their votes for him.
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Old 01-24-2013, 19:01   #26
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If Reagan were running today, the hardline, no compromise types on this board would label him a RINO and refuse to cast their votes for him.
The current GOP would not allow any one that "moderate" to join their party.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...-moderate-gop/



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Jeb Bush said Ronald Reagan "would have been too moderate, too reasonable for today's GOP”
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate...ead-todays-gop

http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/r...an-litmus-test

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Column...odays-GOP.aspx

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/elisabe..._elected_today

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/po...th_today_s_gop

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Old 01-24-2013, 19:08   #27
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The current GOP would not allow any one that "moderate" to join their party.
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I'd vote for this guy, understanding that he could not get all of what he wants. At least he'd be pushing it in the right direction.
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:24   #28
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18 moths before the election I predicted the GOP would follow the one and only path that would snatch defeat from certain victory. Their stupidity and far right reactionary move was the only thing to allow the president with the lowest approval rating in history to be re elected. I called it the "third party syndrome" where the GOP was forced to accept and internalize a loud, angry fringe group (Tea party) so far to the right that the GOP essentially became a third party... too far from the center to attract any mainstream supporters.

They have no one to blame but themselves. If they are to have a future, they need to throw the lunatics out.
I saw that too, the Rick Santorum supporters that want to throw away our constitution and bill of rights and replace it with a bible and a copy of the 10 commandments and replace police with preachers/priests acting as judge/jury/executioner. Kind of like a Christian version of Saudi Arabia. I've noticed this small group of bible thumpers can thump very, very loudly.

I can't believe the GOP tried to tell us that huge tax breaks for the biggest corporations was in our best interests. I can't believe they think that I should have to pay more taxes so my boss can get a tax break because he needs money more than I do. It's one thing to say that line of BS but to then try to sell that $#!% in an election against a socialist? I will have to say, for a party that only represented 3% of the population, they got 48% of the vote... quite impressive.

Bush played to the working people, but it seems all I heard from the GOP last cycle was about the business owners, not the working people. I'm sure most business owners do work.

Living in GA, having seen first hand, being a very republican state, I've noticed how they waste tens of millions of dollars on these witch hunts by law enforcement doing extensive investigations to track down small time drug dealers, the small time users, and people who might have accidently downloaded kiddy porn and then the money it takes to prosecute. An old buddy of mine accidently downloaded a file off limewire and it had underage porn on it that he didn't actually search for, he deleted it the minute he saw it, but because he downloaded it and saw it, he is sitting in a prison in Jackson GA. The GBI published the files and then tracked them to see where they went, then spend probably over a hundred grand on the case, and now a working, productive member of society is taken off and is now on the taxpayer's bill, for what? Justice? Please... Meanwhile, there are countless unsolved murders, break in's, robberies, and the GBI says they don't have the resources to spend more time on those. They should be sued for fraud, or prosecuted themselves and held accountable.

The GOP has lost me, that's all I can say. The only reason they got my vote was because Obama was the other side. I would vote for Bill Clinton, or even Hillary if she was running rather than the GOP.

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Old 01-25-2013, 11:38   #29
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Bobby Jindal "We've got to stop being the stupid party. It's time for a new Republican Party that talks like adults," he said. "We had a number of Republicans damage the brand this year with offensive and bizarre comments. I'm here to say we've had enough of that."


http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/....Bobby.Jindal/
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The current GOP would not allow any one that "moderate" to join their party.
Why are we (conservatives here at GT) even entertaining suggestions from the liberal party?

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Old 01-25-2013, 12:12   #31
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You kind of sound libertarian.
I disagree - those who refer to letting a corporation keep more of its profits to pay to workers to make more profits, rather than funnelling that money through the government to the "former workers" as "welfare" are left/socialist, not libertarian.

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The Tea party is a bunch of bitter, angry reactionaries who have given up on any kind of reason or compromise and simply move forward saying:

We're tired of discussion. Our opinions are right, our particular religion is right, and we DEMAND that Americas laws and government be changed to reflect our views.
To me, the TEA PARTY core is not other than, Lower Taxes, Less Government, and Less Spending... Especially on the Federal level!! This ain't rocket science for most of us.
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I wish we had Regan in office today. I crossed party line to vote for him and for that I will never apologize.
Reagan talked a lot better game than he actually played. He is the best President of my lifetime but under Ron we got the massive increases in federal involvement and spending, federal 55 mandate, more "war on drugs" nonsense, no action on his own gold standard group to return us to Constitutional money, the end of automatic firearms manufacture for civilians and amnesty for illegal mexicans to name a few.

I liked a lot about Reagan but that Reagan is the standard bearer the GOP holds so high really speaks to how poor our standards are. We should be looking to drastically improve and return to a real limited form of government where the Constitution is followed.
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Reagan talked a lot better game than he actually played. He is the best President of my lifetime but under Ron we got the massive increases in federal involvement and spending, federal 55 mandate, more "war on drugs" nonsense, no action on his own gold standard group to return us to Constitutional money, the end of automatic firearms manufacture for civilians and amnesty for illegal mexicans to name a few.

I liked a lot about Reagan but that Reagan is the standard bearer the GOP holds so high really speaks to how poor our standards are. We should be looking to drastically improve and return to a real limited form of government where the Constitution is followed.
Thank you for posting this. I had decided to just let it go and not say anything.
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The current GOP would not allow any one that "moderate" to join their party.
That's a stupid statement from an uninformed troll. Were you even alive during the Reagan administration? I served in the military while Reagan was President. I'm as conservative as they come. I identify with the Tea Party principles of limited government, less waste, and less federal spending. Reagan would be labeled a radical Tea Party candidate by you and people like you, who have bought into the smear campaigns so effectively carried out by the liberal media. The Tea Party has never been mentioned by the media unless it has been to denigrate, demean, lie, and bemoan.

You need to get a little more educated, grow up a bit, and learn not to believe everything the media and Hollywood types say.

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We're tired of discussion. Our opinions are right, our particular religion is right, and we DEMAND that Americas laws and government be changed to reflect our views.
Your quote perfectly describes today's Democrat party, and in particular, Barack Obama. Progressivism is a religion. More like communism, but followers of it relate with a religious fervor.

You're the perfect example of how America has been shaped by media propaganda.
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sugarcreek, if that is what the Tea Party truly represented, then I would be firmly in their camp. The problem is that the Tea Party is filled with fundamentalist Christians who want to impose their "morality" on the rest us by codifying it into our laws. I cannot imagine many things more objectionable.
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sugarcreek, if that is what the Tea Party truly represented, then I would be firmly in their camp. The problem is that the Tea Party is filled with fundamentalist Christians who want to impose their "morality" on the rest us by codifying it into our laws. I cannot imagine many things more objectionable.
You don't know what you're talking about. How many times do you have to be told......... less taxes, less spending, less government! That is what the TEA Party is all about. Period. You're either a troll or one of the "uninformed" voter base.
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You don't know what you're talking about. How many times do you have to be told......... less taxes, less spending, less government! That is what the TEA Party is all about. Period. You're either a troll or one of the "uninformed" voter base.
That may have been how they started, but due to the decentralized nature of the movement, many of them lost touch with the core values limited government and low taxes. Todd Akin and Michele Bachmann are perfect examples of Bible thumpers in the TEA Party.
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sugarcreek, if that is what the Tea Party truly represented, then I would be firmly in their camp. The problem is that the Tea Party is filled with fundamentalist Christians who want to impose their "morality" on the rest us by codifying it into our laws. I cannot imagine many things more objectionable.
The Tea Party is not homogenous by any stretch of the imagination. It's more of a widely inclusive coalition than anything else. Yes, there are fundamentalist christians, but there are also jews, atheists, agnostics and every other possible religious tendency, well, except for maybe the paulistinians. ..

Tea Party. TEA Party. T.E.A. Taxed Enough Already.

Don't let your own religious beliefs and bigotry against other religious beliefs run you away from the Tea Party if being overtaxed so that the government can spend too much is your number one priority.

Read the first amendment again, truly understand it, and jump on in, the water's fine.
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That may have been how they started, but due to the decentralized nature of the movement, many of them lost touch with the core values of the movement. Todd Akin and Michele Bachmann are perfect examples of Bible thumpers in the TEA Party movement.
So, one or two people with bad reps claim to be a part of it (late comers if you ask me...), and you abandon a diversified anti-big government, cut spending kind of a group.

OK, but check your top priorities again..... pick sides.
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