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Old 11-20-2012, 09:55   #51
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IMO...You guys should let Woodenplank take the lead. He handles questions in a precise but yet non condescending way. The few months that he's taken the lead this place finally started looking like a forum with new members and exchanges in a civil tone.

The good old boys amounted to a private club here with GD type discussion. Some are always confrontational too.



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Old 11-20-2012, 10:28   #52
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You obviously miss the intent of the thread and the tongue in cheek generalizations on groupings of people that is often made fun of on forums.

Then I missed the intent too. Probably because it sounded so much like those who were complimenting you on it.


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IMO...You guys should let Woodenplank take the lead. He handles questions in a precise but yet non condescending way. The few months that he's taken the lead this place finally started looking like a forum with new members and exchanges in a civil tone.

The good old boys amounted to a private club here with GD type discussion. Some are always confrontational too.
It's a good point, but there are too many guru wannabes.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:05   #53
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IMO...You guys should let Woodenplank take the lead. He handles questions in a precise but yet non condescending way. The few months that he's taken the lead this place finally started looking like a forum with new members and exchanges in a civil tone.

The good old boys amounted to a private club here with GD type discussion. Some are always confrontational too.



OK done carry on.
+1 on this. Not taking away from Surf, but Plank is on the forum more regularly.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:57   #54
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Then I missed the intent too. Probably because it sounded so much like those who were complimenting you on it.




It's a good point, but there are too many guru wannabes.
Perhaps you should have read the entire thread closely before commenting. Especially the follow up discussion, where I clearly explain things. I wrote this post nearly two years ago. It has only been stickied for a few months. I have no clue how it got stickied, nor did I ask for either of my posts to be stickied. I didn't even realize they were up there for at least a couple weeks after.

I have no intent on being anyone's "Guru". I try to provide accurate information on this platform that many years has taught me professionally from within this industry from development, maintenance, training and real world doing. I still get paid to do this professionally full time, but I still take the time to offer advice because I wish to help the general shooting community as a whole grow. It only helps everyone. There is a reason that some really good people abandoned this place. Just take a look at the some of the above assinine posts and it becomes clear.

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+1 on this. Not taking away from Surf, but Plank is on the forum more regularly.
As mentioned there is a good reason that this forum has lost some good input from very knowledgeable guys. When you get PM's from moderators basically apologizing for the idiots behaviors that says quite a bit. It's no wonder some of us stick to other sites to offer information instead of attempting to help other sites overcome their less than stellar reputations. As in attempting to grow the community in a positive manner.

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IMO...You guys should let Woodenplank take the lead. He handles questions in a precise but yet non condescending way. The few months that he's taken the lead this place finally started looking like a forum with new members and exchanges in a civil tone.

The good old boys amounted to a private club here with GD type discussion. Some are always confrontational too.



OK done carry on.
Ya know, its funny. I have only been here a couple of years and attempted to interject some sanity in that good ole' boy network with accurate information backed by real world experience and not just what someone has read. I was told time and time again, to never mind GT, yet I still attempt to share relevant information. Sure it would be easy to stick to another forum which is truly recognized for their Industry Professionals or Subject Matter Experts, or civilian shooting community that takes this topic to be a bit more than recreational, but sharing and growing the entire shooting community is supposed to be what forums are all about.

Having said that, I really hope that I am not being lumped into that good ole boy category. I do not speak on topics that I have only read about. My experience is from doing, not just reading or talking about it. I am always civil when spoken to in the same manner and more than tolerable when people become *******s, as can be seen in this thread. Which is also why I have ignored much of what has been said until now. Some of them clearly have no clue about that of which they speak. My username is the same over at M4C. If my information that I offer is more meaningful coming from that site then by all means ask it there. Who I am and my credentials are more than verified by the staff and many members who frequent that site.

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Old 11-20-2012, 12:20   #55
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It has only been stickied for a few months. I have no clue how it got stickied, nor did I ask for either of my posts to be stickied. I didn't even realize they were up there for at least a couple weeks after.
Sorry Surf, I made a huge stink about us not having any informative stickies and apparently the mods took note of it because the next morning I woke up, boom! we had stickies!!! I was very pleased with the two they chose as well

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As mentioned there is a good reason that this forum has lost some good input from very knowledgeable guys. When you get PM's from moderators basically apologizing for the idiots behaviors that says quite a bit. It's no wonder some of us stick to other sites to offer information instead of attempting to help other sites overcome their less than stellar reputations. As in attempting to grow the community in a positive manner.
I wish I had of been able to take advantage of some of those we lost to other forums, but since there isn't anything I can do about it, I'm just going to continue to take full advantage of who we still have. I was not in anyway trying to offend or discredit you, I was just pointing out that you rarely chime in anymore. People like WoodenPlank, Big Bird, Mcvician, and a few others are frequent users here and from my point of view have always been as impartial as possible, and have a good amount of knowledge to share.

Despite the recent arguments, I hope you continue to stick around and lend your knowledge to anyone that is in need (like myself)!
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:50   #56
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Sorry Surf, I made a huge stink about us not having any informative stickies and apparently the mods took note of it because the next morning I woke up, boom! we had stickies!!! I was very pleased with the two they chose as well
Hey, I have no problem with them being stickies and am not upset in the least. I think others may take issue of it because I happen to have a couple that were made stickies. While I believe the information is relevant and important that new shooters to this platform should understand about #1 themselves and shooting style and #2 about this weapon platform in general, it will save A LOT of new shooters, A LOT of potential grief down the road. So I get the sticky thing. Apparently others may feel that I am some "read it on the internet, guru"? No harsh feelings at all and I apologize if I am coming off that way. Those who have interacted with me over the years online know I maintain a pretty even keel, even when the detractors come knocking.



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I wish I had of been able to take advantage of some of those we lost to other forums, but since there isn't anything I can do about it, I'm just going to continue to take full advantage of who we still have. I was not in anyway trying to offend or discredit you, I was just pointing out that you rarely chime in anymore. People like WoodenPlank, Big Bird, Mcvician, and a few others are frequent users here and from my point of view have always been as impartial as possible, and have a good amount of knowledge to share.

Despite the recent arguments, I hope you continue to stick around and lend your knowledge to anyone that is in need (like myself)!
Again no offense taken. I agree that you should glean information from these guys, their information and experiences are something that we can all learn from. It is sad however, when there are those who attempt to make this forum a hostile environment, which often times makes people go elsewhere. Which is another huge reason I don't frequent the site that much anymore. Don't sweat it in the least.
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Old 11-20-2012, 16:34   #57
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Ya know, its funny. I have only been here a couple of years and attempted to interject some sanity in that good ole' boy network with accurate information backed by real world experience and not just what someone has read. I was told time and time again, to never mind GT, yet I still attempt to share relevant information. Sure it would be easy to stick to another forum which is truly recognized for their Industry Professionals or Subject Matter Experts, or civilian shooting community that takes this topic to be a bit more than recreational, but sharing and growing the entire shooting community is supposed to be what forums are all about.

Having said that, I really hope that I am not being lumped into that good ole boy category. I do not speak on topics that I have only read about. My experience is from doing, not just reading or talking about it. I am always civil when spoken to in the same manner and more than tolerable when people become *******s, as can be seen in this thread. Which is also why I have ignored much of what has been said until now. Some of them clearly have no clue about that of which they speak. My username is the same over at M4C. If my information that I offer is more meaningful coming from that site then by all means ask it there. Who I am and my credentials are more than verified by the staff and many members who frequent that site.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]


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Surf, In no way was i refering to you. I know your the OP of this thread but my post had nothing to do with your post here or any posts of yours.

You are a positive on any forum that's for sure. Your knowlege speaks volumes and you are never confrontational....
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:41   #58
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I think the best idea is to do some research,including talking to real users not just online commandos. Then buy the best you can afford, that meets or even exceeds your needs.

Some where in a forum a question was asked "how do I tell a friend that the new AR he bought was a piece of crap?"

If the reliability, durability and accuracy meets the owners goals it does not need to be a 3000 dollar wonder gun.

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Old 12-02-2012, 08:34   #59
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Solid rifles do tend to cost more. Attachments as well. I outfit my rifle for it's intended purpose, for example, hunting, home defense, and sport shooting.
Anything extra is just more weight.

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Old 01-02-2013, 13:13   #60
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Solid rifles do tend to cost more. Attachments as well. I outfit my rifle for it's intended purpose, for example, hunting, home defense, and sport shooting.
Anything extra is just more weight.
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Kiss It Simple method has never let me down.

I see so many people add unnecessary expense, weight & complications (things that can go wrong/break) to anything the own or use, including firearms, that it baffles the mind.

I even ditched any optics on my ARs, deciding that iron sights were best for me.
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Old 01-02-2013, 17:38   #61
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About 10-12 years ago a gun writer named Jacob Gottfriedson wrote an article for "Tactical Shooter" entitled "What it's Good For? ". And I realized that I had numerous rifles that were only good for shooting at black bullseyes on white backgrounds on known distance ranges. I sold all of them. (Shooting on a manicured range does not make one a rifleman) just sayin'
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:58   #62
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My .02 as a new site user and new to AR's.

Not new to guns, I own XD 9mm for CC, Marlin 336 30-30 for deer and Rem 870 primarily for HD, but use it for bird hunting as well.

I've been thinking about getting AR-15 since 2004 when the ban ended, but just kept putting it off. Finally made the decision and got one. My choice, Colt 6920 was made for several reasons, and after extensive "lurking" on different gun forums, including this one. Will list my reasons at the end, FWIW.

I tried as best I could to avoid manufacturer specific sites (i.e. Bushmasterowners.com, coltARusersforums.org, DPMSisTHEbestARintheWorld.net ) because of the inherent prejudice towards a certain AR. Instead, I use sites like Glock Talk. Why? Well, because you, and they are focused on other manufacturers and platforms, but have a good user base and forums specific to the platform of interest to me (AR-15), I was able to get information based on actual user experience, with less prejudice towards a certain manufacturer.

Because of this site, and other like it, I feel I've made the right choice for me. My reasons:

1. I don't want to assemble parts and build my own.
2. Doesn't matter if I could have one cheaper, I can afford what I got, the extra $100-300 I spent is a non-issue.
3. I don't want to have to try to find pre-ban vs post-ban rifle/carbine due to possible temporary quality control issues (ref. Bushmaster carrier key staking issue, temporary and only on some).
4. I wanted a carbine from a company that has history, not from someone that saw profit to be made a few years back and forming a "gun company" to realize that profit on a single, popular format.

Anyway, I would like to express thanks to gurus and novices alike here (and other places) for helping me make my decision. I'm happy with it, and will continue to read, learn and try on my new platform.

I will post, when I think that I have something that might help, but I am by no means an expert (although I did use and qualify with M16 many years ago - Regular Army!) I'm just getting back to it.

Anything I post is more likely to be something that somebody somewhere said they heard or saw on YouTube, or tried with success, but not completely, but maybe.

Feel free to correct, chastise, teach or inform me as you will.

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Here goes, I'll put in my 2 cents worth. 53 years old, no combat experience, shooting since I was 8 years old. Taught to shoot by a WWII combat vet, my dad. I have put untold thousands of rds downrange and into things both alive and inert. Let the flaming begin.


Tiers? I don't care about "tiers" or classifications. If I have any unresolvable issues out of a weapon, or it tends to be problematic during use, it stays in the safe for any issue that may require self defence. I have had several different weapons of all brands over my lifetime. I have had builds of what people may call "questionable" quality run better than so called upper tier weapons and vice versa. IMO, it comes down to knowing your weapon and its issues if any during/over periods of use.
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Old 01-27-2013, 16:30   #64
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Great post. But with the cost of todays ammo , I am only training now with rifles made by daisy or crossman. LOL
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About 10-12 years ago a gun writer named Jacob Gottfriedson wrote an article for "Tactical Shooter" entitled "What it's Good For? ". And I realized that I had numerous rifles that were only good for shooting at black bullseyes on white backgrounds on known distance ranges. I sold all of them. (Shooting on a manicured range does not make one a rifleman) just sayin'
So, those Marines and Army soldiers who compete at Wimbledon, by your definitions are not "riflemen" then?

You tactical people are just too much.
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Here goes, I'll put in my 2 cents worth. 53 years old, no combat experience, shooting since I was 8 years old. Taught to shoot by a WWII combat vet, my dad. I have put untold thousands of rds downrange and into things both alive and inert. Let the flaming begin.


Tiers? I don't care about "tiers" or classifications. If I have any unresolvable issues out of a weapon, or it tends to be problematic during use, it stays in the safe for any issue that may require self defence. I have had several different weapons of all brands over my lifetime. I have had builds of what people may call "questionable" quality run better than so called upper tier weapons and vice versa. IMO, it comes down to knowing your weapon and its issues if any during/over periods of use.

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Absolutely. Don't get caught up in the if it isn't a (enter brand name here) then it isn't a real AR fanboy game. A lot of people are just trying to justify their own personal expensive purchase.
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Has this devolved into the typical "if you're not military, you don't know what you're talking about" crapola yet?

FWIW, ARs are toys.

That's right.....for the majority of civilian owners, ARs are nothing but toys. We buy them because they're cool, interesting, fun, and fun to shoot.

Trying to categorize people, and thusly define what AR they should own, is completely silly. Especially since it usually comes down to money.
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