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Old 01-02-2013, 18:38   #61
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About 10-12 years ago a gun writer named Jacob Gottfriedson wrote an article for "Tactical Shooter" entitled "What it's Good For? ". And I realized that I had numerous rifles that were only good for shooting at black bullseyes on white backgrounds on known distance ranges. I sold all of them. (Shooting on a manicured range does not make one a rifleman) just sayin'
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Old 01-13-2013, 13:58   #62
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My .02 as a new site user and new to AR's.

Not new to guns, I own XD 9mm for CC, Marlin 336 30-30 for deer and Rem 870 primarily for HD, but use it for bird hunting as well.

I've been thinking about getting AR-15 since 2004 when the ban ended, but just kept putting it off. Finally made the decision and got one. My choice, Colt 6920 was made for several reasons, and after extensive "lurking" on different gun forums, including this one. Will list my reasons at the end, FWIW.

I tried as best I could to avoid manufacturer specific sites (i.e. Bushmasterowners.com, coltARusersforums.org, DPMSisTHEbestARintheWorld.net ) because of the inherent prejudice towards a certain AR. Instead, I use sites like Glock Talk. Why? Well, because you, and they are focused on other manufacturers and platforms, but have a good user base and forums specific to the platform of interest to me (AR-15), I was able to get information based on actual user experience, with less prejudice towards a certain manufacturer.

Because of this site, and other like it, I feel I've made the right choice for me. My reasons:

1. I don't want to assemble parts and build my own.
2. Doesn't matter if I could have one cheaper, I can afford what I got, the extra $100-300 I spent is a non-issue.
3. I don't want to have to try to find pre-ban vs post-ban rifle/carbine due to possible temporary quality control issues (ref. Bushmaster carrier key staking issue, temporary and only on some).
4. I wanted a carbine from a company that has history, not from someone that saw profit to be made a few years back and forming a "gun company" to realize that profit on a single, popular format.

Anyway, I would like to express thanks to gurus and novices alike here (and other places) for helping me make my decision. I'm happy with it, and will continue to read, learn and try on my new platform.

I will post, when I think that I have something that might help, but I am by no means an expert (although I did use and qualify with M16 many years ago - Regular Army!) I'm just getting back to it.

Anything I post is more likely to be something that somebody somewhere said they heard or saw on YouTube, or tried with success, but not completely, but maybe.

Feel free to correct, chastise, teach or inform me as you will.

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Old 01-26-2013, 21:13   #63
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Here goes, I'll put in my 2 cents worth. 53 years old, no combat experience, shooting since I was 8 years old. Taught to shoot by a WWII combat vet, my dad. I have put untold thousands of rds downrange and into things both alive and inert. Let the flaming begin.


Tiers? I don't care about "tiers" or classifications. If I have any unresolvable issues out of a weapon, or it tends to be problematic during use, it stays in the safe for any issue that may require self defence. I have had several different weapons of all brands over my lifetime. I have had builds of what people may call "questionable" quality run better than so called upper tier weapons and vice versa. IMO, it comes down to knowing your weapon and its issues if any during/over periods of use.
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Old 01-27-2013, 17:30   #64
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Great post. But with the cost of todays ammo , I am only training now with rifles made by daisy or crossman. LOL
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:27   #65
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About 10-12 years ago a gun writer named Jacob Gottfriedson wrote an article for "Tactical Shooter" entitled "What it's Good For? ". And I realized that I had numerous rifles that were only good for shooting at black bullseyes on white backgrounds on known distance ranges. I sold all of them. (Shooting on a manicured range does not make one a rifleman) just sayin'
So, those Marines and Army soldiers who compete at Wimbledon, by your definitions are not "riflemen" then?

You tactical people are just too much.
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Old 05-11-2013, 10:05   #66
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Here goes, I'll put in my 2 cents worth. 53 years old, no combat experience, shooting since I was 8 years old. Taught to shoot by a WWII combat vet, my dad. I have put untold thousands of rds downrange and into things both alive and inert. Let the flaming begin.


Tiers? I don't care about "tiers" or classifications. If I have any unresolvable issues out of a weapon, or it tends to be problematic during use, it stays in the safe for any issue that may require self defence. I have had several different weapons of all brands over my lifetime. I have had builds of what people may call "questionable" quality run better than so called upper tier weapons and vice versa. IMO, it comes down to knowing your weapon and its issues if any during/over periods of use.

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Absolutely. Don't get caught up in the if it isn't a (enter brand name here) then it isn't a real AR fanboy game. A lot of people are just trying to justify their own personal expensive purchase.
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Old 01-20-2014, 07:07   #67
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Has this devolved into the typical "if you're not military, you don't know what you're talking about" crapola yet?

FWIW, ARs are toys.

That's right.....for the majority of civilian owners, ARs are nothing but toys. We buy them because they're cool, interesting, fun, and fun to shoot.

Trying to categorize people, and thusly define what AR they should own, is completely silly. Especially since it usually comes down to money and what one simply likes/wants.
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Old 06-03-2014, 01:37   #68
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JHC!

A "homebuilt" AR-15 generally takes only a few rounds to "proof."

The IDEAL AR is one built from an 80% lower....there are no words that ameliorate that fact.
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Old 08-15-2014, 00:30   #69
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I've found that my favorite AR is the one that I'm shooting at the time. AR's are a little like Harleys, great platform to customize and a model for almost everyone. Most people think theirs is the best for them, and most agree shooting them is too much fun!
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Old 08-27-2014, 22:04   #70
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Man, if people chose their cars the same way some choose their guns....
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I do find it fascinating, how certain cars and guns have very similar owners.

Just too over-board, too interested, too obsessed. But, each person enjoys shooting and firearms they way the want to. So, as long as they're safe....same with sports car enthusiasts....too obsessed. They freak out over normal things just like firearms owners do.

Is my carbine good enough? The vast majority of ARs on the market today, including most of the cheap crapola, shoot accurately and reliably enough to be better than their owners can utilize.
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Old 12-10-2014, 10:56   #72
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Wow,....an old thread sits for a few years then is revived with drivel.
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Old 12-10-2014, 11:24   #75
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Ok I read the OP, long but read it. Read the first page and most of 2nd.
Question, where do hunters fall into this? Deer, coyotes, squirrels, pheasants and geese all fall into a different gun.
About every quarter shoot 500 rounds through their pistols.
One who buys guns to fit a specific purpose.
Where do people like this fall?
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Old 12-10-2014, 11:46   #76
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Glad you at least had time to post that.
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Old 12-10-2014, 13:08   #77
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It's stupid, condescending bull**** and merely the opinion of a Chart Fan Boy with a lot of time on his hands. It shouldn't be a sticky, and the fact it is, reflects poorly on this Black Rifle Forum.

Look how he describes people in stupid category A. "Impress people, to be brought out at parties". This is a childish attack on anyone that doesn't agree with him on brand. Category B: "dedicated weekend warrior". WTF?

Which category covers someone who buys Noveske because it's the only rifle he would trust his life to in N Dallas, and takes pictures of himself on the range wearing a drop leg pistol holster with 30 round magazine in a Glock? Is that a "dedicated weekend warrior" in spite of him buying Noveske?

What about the categories he left out?

Category E: Immature people who never see combat, want bragging rights, and want to be considered the GTBRF guru.

People who buy because they are afraid of another ban and don't want to spend $2k+ on a rifle and ammo?

People who have a life, don't live on gun boards, and genuinely know very little about brands, and are told at the LGS that all they need is Stag, RRA, or Bushmaster.

People wanting one for competition, but is on a budget, and doesn't see losing a match as justification for spending double the money. And having nothing to do with impressing ninjas or winning a gold medal.

People who want an EBR, but have kids in college or private school, and has their priorities in order.

People who want an EBR but have families with needs and make the mature parental decision that their children's needs come first.

People who DO NOT live in N Dallas, and don't see much combat.

My category: People who reload, shoot a lot, own Colt and BCM, and bought a couple beaters to paint camo and use on coyotes, and didn't want to paint the Colt or BCM.

I can make up as many categories as the OP, but without appearing to think I am superior and without the condescension. And there are a lot more types of people than those that fit in his narrow minded 4 categories.

The fact this made a sticky is a reflection on the type of Black Rifle Forum this is. Mostly a bunch of small minded, childish, amateur wannabees who think spending a ton of money on a rifle, and reading Arfcom and M4carbine.net makes them an expert.
Interesting you say that. I typically think of the BRF on GT as a continuing cartoon.
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