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Old 01-29-2013, 01:32   #26
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I've shot my glock 23 19 and a buddies Glock 20 inside my home through my back door(nothing was in the direction the rounds were traveling) periodically just to see how loud they were with no hearing protection to simulate a HD situation.(assuming you don't have ear plugs next to you're nightstand gun lol) and yes it was pretty god dam loud to say the least but after a couple hours my hearing was normal. BUT, in a real HD scenario you don't really have a choice now do you?
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Old 01-29-2013, 05:47   #27
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23 by far. That said, you can't tell much difference between .40 and .357 sig without hearing protection. Both are louder than your ears can handle.
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I'm getting very close to buying my first (most likely only) handgun. I've settled on the compact size versus full size or sub-compact. I'm drawn to the Gen 4 Glock 23 or 32 because of the ability to convert to two other calibers. I really like the idea of having that versatility. In either case I would get a 9mm conversion barrel and mags and primarily shoot that at the range and use the other caliber for SD. I've shot both 9mm and 40 S&W in Glocks so I know how they handle and I shoot roughly the same with both. I've never shot .357 SIG but I like what I've read about it. I know the ammo is quite expensive but if its only for SD, I won't be shooting tons of it. (I understand the need to run a few hundred rounds through a new gun to establish reliability, to spend some range time with your SD ammo and to routinely rotate through existing SD ammo.) Actually my biggest concern with .357 SIG is if I ever have to fire it without ear protection in a SD situation. From what I've read, it's quite a bit louder than other rounds and I'm wondering if I'd suffer permanent hearing damage. I'm also curious about recoil although I've read posts claiming it's no worse, or possibly less than, 40 S&W. I'd appreciate some confirmation of that.
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Old 01-29-2013, 19:17   #28
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23 by far. That said, you can't tell much difference between .40 and .357 sig without hearing protection. Both are louder than your ears can handle.
First post on the forum, this one just grabbed my attention.
How many of you have shot a big game animal? I noticed when you are "adrenalized" and excited, you don't even notice the recoil of a high power rifle, or notice the sound, but when you shoot the same rifle in practice, w/o plugs (not recommended) it is freaking LOUD! and recoil can be sharp!

I imagine the same thing happens in a SD situation. When the adrenaline is up, you won't even notice how loud the cartridge is. What's more important than the noise level is being able to deliver accurate fire, so get which ever one you will be able to shoot the best, and practice!
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:52   #29
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I'm thinking about the same.

Are the springs the same in the g23 and g32? Are the barrel and mags the only the difference?(i understand the mags have minor diff and will work in one another)

I ask this because if its the only difference is the barrel, then even if my primary caliber were to be the .357, I'd get the 23 and upgrade to a premium LW barrel for the .357.

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Old 01-30-2013, 09:13   #30
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I love my 23. I would recommend it to anybody.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:19   #31
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First post on the forum, this one just grabbed my attention.
How many of you have shot a big game animal? I noticed when you are "adrenalized" and excited, you don't even notice the recoil of a high power rifle, or notice the sound, but when you shoot the same rifle in practice, w/o plugs (not recommended) it is freaking LOUD! and recoil can be sharp!

I imagine the same thing happens in a SD situation. When the adrenaline is up, you won't even notice how loud the cartridge is. What's more important than the noise level is being able to deliver accurate fire, so get which ever one you will be able to shoot the best, and practice!
I have often wondered the same. I have shot a few deer with magnum calibers(270wby, 300RUM) which are very loud and my ears(no hearing protection) weren't hurting in the slightest!
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:58   #32
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Auditory exclusion. You won't hear it or it will be muffled. I used a 12 gauge with 00 buck under a car port in the line of duty. Never heard it.
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Old 01-30-2013, 13:36   #33
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I bought a 32 C earlier this week . My thought was I can buy a 40 and 9 mm and shoot reloads . I didn't plan on reloading the 357 so I wanted the factory barrel in 357. Plus I believe it is a excellent self defence cartridge and some say the factory barells do feed a little better than aftermarket with the tighter chambers .
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Old 01-30-2013, 14:03   #34
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Like what other posters have said, if you have only one handgun Get the G23 and just buy a 357Sig aftermarket barrel or vice versa it works either way.
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Old 01-30-2013, 17:37   #35
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I kinda wish I had bought a 23 or 32 instead of a 19, just for the caliber change versatility, but I found a very sweet deal on a like new 2nd gen 19 with night sights, so I just carry very hot SD loads.
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Old 01-31-2013, 20:54   #36
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I prefer 357 Sig
Why is that? I have never shot it but I would respect your opinion.

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Old 02-02-2013, 13:48   #37
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I put the first 50 rounds through my new Gen 4 Glock 23 yesterday and I am quite happy with it. At first I was hitting a little high but once I got used to it, I managed to put 8 out of my first 25 rounds through the one inch bulls eye at 10 yards. It's been several weeks since I had rented a non Gen 4 G23 so it's hard to compare but I hardly even noticed any recoil. No brass to the head except one that I'm pretty sure bounced off the side of the shooting stall.
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Old 02-04-2013, 00:40   #38
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I have the '23, and I really enjoy it.

But, my friend, if you think this is the only gun you'll buy..... well..... They can be pleasantly addicting!

Enjoy your new gun!!!!
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:20   #39
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Well folks, despite my last post, I ended up getting the G23. Mainly because that's what I could find in Gen 4 and I was eager to buy. I probably won't have a chance to get to the range until Friday but I can hardly wait. I've rented a G23 several times (not sure what Gen but not a 4) so it will be interesting to see how much this differs. Now for all the accessories.
You can always buy a Glock G32 barrel. I think theyre still $125. That's all you'd need, as the ammo fits in the 23 mags.

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Old 02-04-2013, 06:58   #40
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Good Luck finding a Gen 4 G32 right now. Even my LEO friends can't get them for 4 to 6 months. I'm looking for the same gun right now.
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:19   #41
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Auditory exclusion. You won't hear it or it will be muffled. I used a 12 gauge with 00 buck under a car port in the line of duty. Never heard it.
I can vouch for this ^^. I was involved in a SD shooting 4 years ago inside a vehicle. I was using a G31 and even being in a vehicle I heard nothing. Saw the muzzle flash, but that was about it. Had I not seen the flash, I probably would have squeezed again thinking I hadn't shot the first time.

Needless to say, I no longer give people I don't know a ride anywhere.

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Old 02-13-2013, 04:50   #42
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I understand the concept of auditory exclusion but even though YOU don't hear it, I have to assume your ears did. IOW, the sound waves were still produced, they reached your ears which were still affected by them but your brain decided not to process the sound for you as it normally would because of the stress of the moment. As such, auditory exclusion or not, I assume there's still potential for damage to ones ears. I'm curious, those of you who experienced auditory exclusion, did you notice typical symptoms of being exposed to a loud noise after the fact, such as ringing in your ears, temporary diminished hearing, etc?

FWIW, I've ordered a G32 barrel for my G23 and I'm hoping it will show up soon so I can try it out. I suspect the .357SIG will become my favorite caliber.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:01   #43
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ammo is easier to find in .40s&w. me being a muzzleloader shooter i like bullet weight.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:15   #44
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I understand the concept of auditory exclusion but even though YOU don't hear it, I have to assume your ears did. IOW, the sound waves were still produced, they reached your ears which were still affected by them but your brain decided not to process the sound for you as it normally would because of the stress of the moment. As such, auditory exclusion or not, I assume there's still potential for damage to ones ears. I'm curious, those of you who experienced auditory exclusion, did you notice typical symptoms of being exposed to a loud noise after the fact, such as ringing in your ears, temporary diminished hearing, etc?

FWIW, I've ordered a G32 barrel for my G23 and I'm hoping it will show up soon so I can try it out. I suspect the .357SIG will become my favorite caliber.
I didn't experience any ringing of the ears or any noticeable effects, but that's not to say everybody else is the same as me.

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Old 02-13-2013, 08:21   #45
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Congrats on the 23. I love both my 23 and my 32. I shoot 40 more, but find the 357sig more accurate. I reload my own so it is actually cheaper to shoot 357sig due to using 9mm bullets. Either way you would have gone it would have been a good choice.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:29   #46
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Glock 27 with a storm lake tree fiddy seven barrel. Soon to have a 9mm barrel also. Im a 357sig fan.
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