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Old 02-01-2013, 09:16   #26
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well I just realized that for the price of the micro I could have gotten me a nice little xds 45 acp.... buyers remorse?
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:41   #27
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The Micro will actually work.
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Old 02-01-2013, 18:11   #28
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Count me among the converted. Just got a PRO and am really pleased. Very cool optic, clearly very well made.
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Old 02-01-2013, 18:46   #29
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Old 02-01-2013, 20:29   #30
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I'll be the black sheep and strongly recommend you look at the Lucid HD7. I love it and everyone I've showed it to is impressed by it. Assuming you're not getting called up to the SEALS anytime soon, I can't imagine you'll regret it. If you do, you'll be the first I've met.

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Old 02-01-2013, 20:57   #31
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Or if you wana go cheap Vortex.
Another option is http://www.primaryarms.com/Red_Dot_Store_s/57.htm alot of guys use them and seem very happy. I know their CS is very good.
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Old 02-02-2013, 01:35   #32
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kind of a off topic question. I got a NIB Sig M400. Only one mag came with the rifle, do these usually come with a couple of mags? I have a suspicion the seller kept one?

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Old 02-02-2013, 08:27   #33
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I'll be the black sheep and strongly recommend you look at the Lucid HD7. I love it and everyone I've showed it to is impressed by it. Assuming you're not getting called up to the SEALS anytime soon, I can't imagine you'll regret it. If you do, you'll be the first I've met.

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I say bypass the Lucid. I purchased one a couple years ago. The first one wouldn't turn on. They did send one out extremely fast however. Their customer service was awesome.

When I received a working optic I was a little disappointed. It was heavy and there was a visible square outlining the reticles. I sold it for a loss.

The desire to have quality optics has nothing to do w/ being called up to the SEALS. Why do you need to be fighting a war in order to demand quality? You don't.

Though it was a good experience I do regret purchasing the Lucid. It put me even further from the quality optic I ended up purchasing.
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Old 02-02-2013, 19:41   #34
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I will also say go with a quality optic. Aimpoint, Eotech, or trijicon. I prefer the Eotech over the aim point myself, that is personal preference though.
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Old 02-02-2013, 21:06   #35
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I say bypass the Lucid. I purchased one a couple years ago. The first one wouldn't turn on. They did send one out extremely fast however. Their customer service was awesome.

When I received a working optic I was a little disappointed. It was heavy and there was a visible square outlining the reticles. I sold it for a loss.

The desire to have quality optics has nothing to do w/ being called up to the SEALS. Why do you need to be fighting a war in order to demand quality? You don't.

Though it was a good experience I do regret purchasing the Lucid. It put me even further from the quality optic I ended up purchasing.

The SEALS comment was of course facetious. I too believe in buying quality. The Lucid is better quality than I will likely make use of. I view a red dot as a CQB tool. As such, I have different expectations of it than a long range scope. Yes it must hold zero and be durable, and I have found the Lucid to be this. For my uses, I don't see twice the utility in an Aimpoint for twice the price it would cost me. As they used to say in Detroit, your mileage may vary.



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Old 02-02-2013, 21:29   #36
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I've seen a few Vortex red dots. Every last one of 'em failed within a couple of weeks and they killed batteries.

I don't understand why people would recommend something like that.
I own one Vortex, and four Aimpoints.

I like the controls better for the Vortex. Also, I do believe that they have a LIFETIME warranty, vs. Aimpoint's 10-year warranty.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:49   #37
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I'm just about of buying a red dot, so this question is kinda important for me. My cousin's buddy has MCS by Armasight for his toy and sais it's great unit. Personally I can't guarantee that MCS is as god as I've heard but I believe I'll choose this one.
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Old 02-08-2013, 14:16   #38
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Burris?

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Picking out a scope, I was leaning towards a red dot sight for about $250. I took a look at a Burris fast fire red dot today and was not too impressed with the red "dot", seemed more like a blob to me. Also, the sight was tiny, looked like it could be knocked off easily. This is the other one I was looking at

Amazon.com: Burris SpeedDot 135 1 x 35mm Red Dot Sights with Weaver-Style Mounting Rings: Sports & Outdoors

Any advice is welcome, can't wait to have this baby ready...
I have a Burris Speeddot 135 with a 3moa dot and do very well with it.

Holds zero, dot is crisp which makes head shots at 100yds
very doable.

Until mine fails I would find spending more money difficult to justify.

It seems sturdy enough to me.

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Old 02-08-2013, 15:22   #39
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Aimpoint is where it's at. If it needs to work, you need to spend the money.

If it's just a toy or a range gun and you can deal with making use of the warranty, having batteries that are dead, forgetting to turn it on, etc, Primary Arms would be my low budget option.

I intend to get a Primary Arms red dot for my 15-22, for example.
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Old 02-08-2013, 15:26   #40
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Old 02-13-2013, 23:11   #41
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Seems like everyone here is recommending the Aimpoint and two of the talking points are "precision" and "range"

Well my AR is a personal defense "in the house" gun... so wouldn't the Eotech with the ring be a better option? Faster target acquisition? And its cheaper than an Aimpoint.

Just wondering, since Uncle Barrack is giving me a refund.
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Old 02-13-2013, 23:32   #42
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EOTech is where it's at, especially the XPS series. So +1 for EOTech!
Get yourself an EOTech if you like it. I love mine, the Reticle dot sight picture of my XPS 2-0 is great. The Reticle dot configuration makes distance measuring very easy and fast if needed. I also prefer the one MOA dot of the EOTech. The smaller dot doesn't cover up as much of a furhter away target. EOTech's are not intended for longer distances, but it works great for hitting man sized targets 200 meter+ down range. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the EOTech's. Well, the only down side for me of the EOTech is battery life, which is only about 600 hours, but that's no deal breaker for me at all.

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Old 02-13-2013, 23:53   #43
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Picking out a scope, I was leaning towards a red dot sight for about $250. I took a look at a Burris fast fire red dot today and was not too impressed with the red "dot", seemed more like a blob to me. Also, the sight was tiny, looked like it could be knocked off easily. This is the other one I was looking at

Amazon.com: Burris SpeedDot 135 1 x 35mm Red Dot Sights with Weaver-Style Mounting Rings: Sports & Outdoors

Any advice is welcome, can't wait to have this baby ready...
Its your eyes or how youre looking at it. You HAVE to focus on the target NOT the dot. If you look again put it on something at least ten yards away and focus on the target. The dot will crisp up.


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Any chance you have an Astigmatism in your eyes? That is a common issue w/ "red dots". TO ME, the EoTechs are unusable, while the Aimpoints are fine.
This too. I have mild astigatism and I also get the blob unless I focus correctly and even then its still blobby sometimes. At the range in the daylight though, the dot is crisp as can be for me, even without glasses.

I have a Burris Fast Fire 2 on my AK. It has stood up to probably 2000 rounds no problem at all. Burris or PA is DEFINITELY the cheapest I would go though. For range and light use the Burris will certainly be a good one for you.

Of course its not going to be as good as the Aimpoint but its certainly worth the 200. I have only used an Aimpoint once and it was when I got to shoot a full auto M4. I had a MONSTROUS **** eating grin after that but it wasnt because of the Aimpoint! I wasnt paying that close attention to the optic really!
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:44   #44
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I put a vortex strikefire on my new Bison 6.8 and love it. For less than 200 dollars, cant beat it. Spend money i saved to buy ammo

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Old 02-14-2013, 11:27   #45
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Seems like everyone here is recommending the Aimpoint and two of the talking points are "precision" and "range"

Well my AR is a personal defense "in the house" gun... so wouldn't the Eotech with the ring be a better option? Faster target acquisition? And its cheaper than an Aimpoint.

Just wondering, since Uncle Barrack is giving me a refund.


I've seen far more EO Tech's fail than Aimpoints. I used to spend a lot of time in military warehouses for work, and I saw far more EO Techs in the return-to-manufacturer and destruction boxes than I did Aimpoints. My personal EO Tech failed (cross-bolt in the mount broke) inside of 6 months, and I replaced it with an Aimpoint M2 that's still going 4 years later - and has only needed 3 new batteries. I think I went through 3 pairs of 123s in the few months I had the EO Tech.
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Old 02-14-2013, 18:43   #46
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well I just realized that for the price of the micro I could have gotten me a nice little xds 45 acp.... buyers remorse?
A little less than 2 years ago I listened to the masses here (and Mr Murphy) and saved a little longer for the H1 w/ LaRue mount. I have not regretted it at all. Could I have gotten another Glock instead? Yeah, but I now have an optic that will probably outlive me, and it's great.
Two points a lot of people sometimes forget to mention;
1) I never turn it off. If something bad happens I just grab the weapon and it's on, ready to go.
2) I'm not going to get called up by the SEALS, but when I'm at the range or the coyotes start going wild in the back field (like two nights ago) and it's raining/sleeting/snowing I can still go out and do what I want without worrying about my optic getting wet. And by the way, I feel the same about my light on the AR.
Buying quality (for me) means I have no limits placed on me or my weapon, no matter the weather. It has nothing to do with being an internet commando.
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Old 02-14-2013, 19:07   #47
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We did a test recently timing people with a shot timer in picking up rifles and shooting a 12 yard target twice COM. The comparison was of "always on" sights like Aimpoints, Trijicons, and Leupolds against "need to turn on" sights like Eotech, vortex, and cheaper sights like truglo and BSA. The control was using iron sights. The "always on" group averaged about .2 seconds faster than iron sights while the "need to turn on" sights averaged about .4-.5 seconds slower than irons.

The guy on patrol who can put fresh batteries in his Eotech and leave it on while it is slung is making better use of that sight system than the guy who wants to keep a ready AR in his closet and have it ready to rock.

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Old 02-14-2013, 19:58   #48
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The only downside I see to the Aimpoint Pro is the 2 MOA dot. For me (and just me) it is too small to pick up as quickly as the huge 65 MOA circle of the Eotech. The entire purpose of a sight is for quicker target acquisition therefore the Eotech makes more sense to me. I wish Aimpoint would offer the 4 MOA dot in the Pro.

Lots of great choices these days in AR optics, almost too many to choose from.
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The only downside I see to the Aimpoint Pro is the 2 MOA dot. For me (and just me) it is too small to pick up as quickly as the huge 65 MOA circle of the Eotech. The entire purpose of a sight is for quicker target acquisition therefore the Eotech makes more sense to me. I wish Aimpoint would offer the 4 MOA dot in the Pro.

Lots of great choices these days in AR optics, almost too many to choose from.
How much quicker are you with the eotech than an Aimpoint?
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How much quicker are you with the eotech than an Aimpoint?
No ideal as far timing myself but just that I pick up the small dot much slower than the Eotech huge circle. Like I said it could just be me, but in the end that is of course what matters most to me, how I can utilize it.

I ordered a Trijicon Tri Power today, from what little time I have spent with one the chevron it uses is pretty quick for me to pick up. Time will tell.
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