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Old 01-26-2013, 15:50   #21
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I'm getting some terrific feedback, so thank you everyone. Keep 'em coming!

Travlin' Jack, you seem to be most interested in performance and by letting people try it out, you are encouraging others to use it, which goes to my opinion that if people can sample/test for themselves, they would be more likely to try something new. More importantly, from a marketing standpoint, you promote products you like - a company can't ask for a better ad campaign then that!

NBT, it looks like you tend to be brand loyal and are more likely to try something new if your favorite company comes out with it, but maybe not necessarily if a different company comes out with something new. From a marketing standpoint, you would be my hardest customer to convince to try a new product from a new company. So I have a question for you too, IF you could be convinced to try something new from a different company, what would be the motivating factor?

Great answer Concretefuzzynuts, you take a scientific approach to your decision making. You are interested but skeptical, wanting facts and figures to back-up claims and you weigh the information relative to your actual use. This is also very good to know.
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Old 01-26-2013, 16:13   #22
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I have yet to find a lube that doesn't work on my firearms. I use the Hoppes Elite products because they are non-toxic, they work, and I can buy 'em locally at Wally World.
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Old 01-26-2013, 16:22   #23
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You'll find all you need by doing a search. Some questions seem to inspire a new thread every week (you're the second this week) and GT people don't mean to be rude, but get tired of answering the same question over and over. Search any subject, even non gun related. There's incredible wisdom in the GT gang. Not to mention humor, sarcasm, and differing opinions.

Personally, I'm just here for the abuse.

FWIW: Hoppes seemed just ok, Remoil and Miltec total fails, using CLP now and very happy with it, got a sample of Weapon Shield, and like that best of all.
If your tired of answering then don't. Is my advice to you.
I don't know why people go out of their way to make this an unfriendly forum.
What is the old saying if you have nothing good to say don't say anything.
There you got your abuse

I use Breakfree on my AR, Brownells lubeI watched several youtube. I use Brownell lube on the rails and white grease on barrel for Glocks as recommended by my Armorer buddy and I don't get tired of answering the same questions over and over again.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:11   #24
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Thank you for your answer, Oso. I see that you, for the most part, seem to agree with DWarren123, in that you do not perceive a big difference between the performance of the lubes commonly available. All things being relatively "equal" performance wise, you are clearly motivated to choose a lube that is nontoxic. I think more and more people are concerned about the toxicity of the products they use everyday and as a result, I see more commercials & print ads that address this particular concern. It is an important direction that advertising in general is going.

AZson, you are the first to mention watching a video before making a decision. I think videos will become a preferred media for advertisers to sell their products. If people cannot actually test/use/compare a product themselves, I think that videos are the next best thing. The video, paired with the recommendation from a respected person in the industry, is, in my opinion, the ultimate marketer's power couple. Thank you so much for your answer, it is very helpful.
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Old 01-29-2013, 21:34   #25
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On the subject of YouTube videos, I saw one in particular (I'm sorry but can't remember the channel) where the guy applied several different products to brake pads for demonstration purposes. I think he put 3 different lubes on each one and left them to weather for nearly 3 weeks untouched. Froglube performed the best and that video was solely responsible for me trying it for the first time. Since then it has been my lube of choice. And although performance is why I continue to use it, it doesn't hurt that it smells nice and minty and is enviro-friendly. Good luck figuring out whatever it is you're looking for. And, btw I would try ANY sample once on one of my guns.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:44   #26
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Thank you so much for your answer jlbeasley1976. I will try to look up that video, it will be helpful for my research. Again, comparative marketing lets consumers make a more informed decision - ergo the popularity of research companies like Consumer Reports and apps on so many websites that let you compare products in their catalog while you shop.

It is interesting that the scent is another aspect that you like about the product, something that has come up several times now. The olfactory sense is often very important in decision making for people in general. Bad smells can alert a person to possible danger (an important purpose for this particular sense) but the olfactory sense can also provide enticing (key to marketing) enjoyment when exposed to pleasant smells. Including this sense, by providing an attractive aroma along with all the other attributes of a given product, is a very smart marketing tool.
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Old 01-30-2013, 14:59   #27
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Thank you so much for your answer jlbeasley1976. I will try to look up that video, it will be helpful for my research. Again, comparative marketing lets consumers make a more informed decision - ergo the popularity of research companies like Consumer Reports and apps on so many websites that let you compare products in their catalog while you shop.

It is interesting that the scent is another aspect that you like about the product, something that has come up several times now. The olfactory sense is often very important in decision making for people in general. Bad smells can alert a person to possible danger (an important purpose for this particular sense) but the olfactory sense can also provide enticing (key to marketing) enjoyment when exposed to pleasant smells. Including this sense, by providing an attractive aroma along with all the other attributes of a given product, is a very smart marketing tool.
Patriot36 is the channel. Just figured I'd save you a little time looking for it.
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Old 02-03-2013, 17:27   #28
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XF7Industries, I have also done some looking on this subject for myself, for my Glock. What I have found is that there is now, "Nano-Technology involvement in the field of lubricants. That is tiny-scale stuff - a nanometer is one billionth of a meter.

So far I have found only one "nano-tech" lubricant that is made/marketed specifically for guns. The product name is "Archoil". It is a GoGreen product line, and they have two different products for guns. AR4200 is a CLP. and AR4400 is a LP. I have a sample of the AR4200, and I have used it on my guns, but have not shot with it yet. I do like what I saw as I used it on the guns!

On the basis of the technical rational for the nano technology, and the resulting "coefficients of friction" achieved, it is reasonable to expect good results in use. So, I am going to use it, until I have a reason not to!

I do see that it is available on Amazon!

I hope this info adds to the research you were looking for, with this thread.
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To quote the product descriptions:

AR4200: Nanoceramic CLP utilizes tungsten disulfide (WS2) which is one of the most lubricous materials known to science with coefficient of friction at 0.03.

AR4200 forms a dry hard surface on metal alloy and can withstand very extreme temperature environments.

AR4400: hBN LP utilizes hexagonal boron nitride for its low coefficient of friction at 0.15 to 0.70 and its superior characteristics bonding to metal. It is a superior lubricant and offers excellent protection against corrosion.

Once the firearm is clean AR4400 will maintain it with no lead and carbon buildup. It creates a dry hard film. (no odor, heavier viscosity, beige in color)
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http://www.marketwire.com/press-rele...gr-1744660.htm

http://www.gogreenarchoilcart.com/

http://www.evergreenamerica.com/store/

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Old 02-03-2013, 17:49   #29
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i'm currently using Gunzilla. But i'm not too sure if i will keep using it. It is non toxic and seems to do fine but they have no data available on their website showing that it works better than others.

I'm looking at butches bore shine, KG, and XF7. I'd like to use one for my rifle and handgun.
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Old 02-05-2013, 16:35   #30
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I have used pretty much everything under the sun. I don't really run guns hard and I clean or at least run a bore snake and a cloth over a gun after a match or range session.

I perfer Slip 2000 because it holds the best for what I do and Pat Rogers gives some out to every student at every class....kinda telling I think. I carry Miltec in a small bottle in my stage bag in case someone needs oil but if I had gotten a small bottle of S2k I might have it in there.
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:10   #31
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:13   #32
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We use Astroglide. It is water soluble and causes no irritation.
Try KY Intense; she'll thank me for this

If you can find it http://www.moon-rocket.com/g-female-stimulating-gel
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:24   #33
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Gun Scrubber or Non Chlorinated brake cleaner then 99% Alcohol, Ballistol on the Barrel, TW-25B Grease on rails, connector, locking lug and barrel.
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Old 02-06-2013, 20:20   #34
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I used to use Hoppe's 9 with Weatherguard since I live in a high humidity environment. It has always worked, but it was runny. I have since started using M-Pro 7 Gun Oil LPX. I really like this stuff. It leaves a thin coat of protection on the surface and really smooths out the action. This stuff has a unique quality to seek out metal and spread evenly across the surface. It smells different from other gun oils, but works great. I heard that a lot of guys in Afghanistan are using it with great results. I can clean my bore with powder cleaner and then run a patch with M-Pro 7 on it a d clean out even more gunk. Give it a try. You will love it!
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:13   #35
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...I have since started using M-Pro 7 Gun Oil LPX. I really like this stuff. It leaves a thin coat of protection on the surface and really smooths out the action...

It's great stuff and has been submitted for MILSPEC approval. I also use what the Military uses: G96 CLP. It's fantastic.
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:35   #36
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I am sorry I haven't had time recently to reply to the most recent comments. I will.

The last post, thank you Tiro Fijo, includes the comment that he uses what the military uses - from a marketing standpoint, that speaks volumes.

This question is for everyone;

How likely are you to try a product BECAUSE it is currently being used by the military?
I suspect that that is a very big motivating factor for many consumers in the tactical industry, but I need more feedback on this particular question. I thank you in advance for your answers.
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Old 02-07-2013, 16:30   #37
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I don't use what we use in the military because it is junk. We got ahold of some Militec-1 when I was in Iraq in 2009 and 2010, and it is far superior. I'm not saying it the best as I don't want someone that hasn't used it to start calling me an idiot for using it because they don't think it comes in a pretty bottle, but it works for me. I have used quite a few in the past, and probably won't use Militec-1 forever, but right now, that's what I run. If you follow the instructions, you can wipe most of it off and it still works, which is the reason CLP doesn't work. You have to run an M4 really wet if you use CLP and it attracts sand like a magnet. Frog Lube and Ballistol claim the same thing. I have tried Ballistol and had no problems with it except for it smells like silly string, and I haven't tried Frog Lube just because I have a whole lot of Militec-1 right now, and have no need to try something new since what I have works.
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Old 02-07-2013, 19:39   #38
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I use KY...it's hot and cold...try that.
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Old 02-07-2013, 20:05   #39
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I run frog lube on my: glocks, AR, and shotguns. The stuff seems to work really well and it makes cleaning a lot easier.
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Old 02-07-2013, 21:01   #40
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Motor oil. Usually Delvac.

Seriously, guns in general ain't that picky. Glocks would run dry, or run on yak fat, for a long time. It just doesn't make that much difference.
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