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Old 12-14-2012, 20:53   #26
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At least 27, including kids, shot dead at Connecticut school

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-fi...ecticut-school

Another shooting incident in the US, only weeks after the Colorado. This is already appalling because these are young kids.

I just hope these clowns won't make this an excuse to push their "so-called gun laws"

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Old 12-15-2012, 13:05   #27
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It mentioned in Rep. Enrile's Bill "to protect the state." How can you be motivated to help protect the state when the rules of firearms ownership are being tightened to the point of discouraging firearms ownership?

One doesn't have to look far. It happened in the '80's. During the peak of the insurgency, a lot of sugarcane farmers helped the PNP and the AFP in the fight against the insurgents. They paid for the CAFGU, armed them (including their supplies), loaned their trucks for mobilization free of charge; donated fuel to the PNP and the AFP. Some farmers even went as far as paying for the hospital bills and medicines of those wounded uniformed personnel. Some farmers also secretly paid for the education of the children of policemen and AFP personnel who perished.

After the insurgency problem was contained, the Cafgus were disbanded and undocumented firearms were ordered turned over to the PNP under "Oplan Paglalansag." The farmers reluctantly turned over their firearms, but they had to do so. Now, they were left "naked" against the enemy which was still a threat to society. The farmers retaliated by withdrawing their support and distanced themselves from the PNP and AFP. The Sugar Development Fund was stopped. That was ugly. The Negrense's generosity was abused.

Sugar Development Fund - was a lien deducted from every sugar quedan that was issued to sugar farmers. I forgot the percentage levied for every 50 kilo bag produced by a farmer. There was no audit or any accounting made on the SDF.
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Old 01-05-2013, 23:47   #28
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Punisher,

you have PM. Thanks.
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Old 01-06-2013, 18:54   #29
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you have PM. Thanks.

Bro,

PM sent.

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Old 01-06-2013, 23:17   #30
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What is the status of HB3501?
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:05   #31
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What is the status of HB3501?

Shoved into quicksand by members of the President's
political party.

One of the President's partymates, Sen. Frank Drilon, is
(as already noted in this thread) spearheading legislation
to eliminate carry-permits and reduce firearm-ownership
options to less than what was allowed under the dictator
Marcos, but will however allow exemptions for politicians
and VIP's, lol.

The elections are just weeks away.
Your vote, to cast wisely or to waste.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:33   #32
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That's a shame that the bill got shelved. That will happen if nobody's pushing for it considering the anti-gun lobby is so strong.

Do Filipino gun owners have a lobby group? Since it's the Philippine National Police that is the administrator of the privileges of gun owners, I've noticed that most gun clubs are subservient, almost to the level of obsequiousness, to the Police for their licenses, PTCs, PTTs, range permits, etc., and as such the gun clubs have a dilemma in going against the Police by advocating the right to bear arms. Such being the case, the gun clubs cannot be serious advocates for the right to bear arms. Hence, it might be high time for a serious, well-informed lobby group along the lines of the Gun Owner's of America:

http://gunowners.org/
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Old 01-08-2013, 14:57   #33
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That's a shame that the bill got shelved. That will happen if nobody's pushing for it considering the anti-gun lobby is so strong.

Do Filipino gun owners have a lobby group? Since it's the Philippine National Police that is the administrator of the privileges of gun owners, I've noticed that most gun clubs are subservient, almost to the level of obsequiousness, to the Police for their licenses, PTCs, PTTs, range permits, etc., and as such the gun clubs have a dilemma in going against the Police by advocating the right to bear arms. Such being the case, the gun clubs cannot be serious advocates for the right to bear arms. Hence, it might be high time for a serious, well-informed lobby group along the lines of the Gun Owner's of America:
http://gunowners.org/
I think I disagree.
Such an organization would soon be mired in politicking,
attempts at cultus, and the rise of rival organizations,
because that's what Filipinos excel at: they establish
organizations so they can try to sit at the head of the
table(s). Rival organizations thence squabble with each
other, to the detriment of any remaining effort to save
our rights as firearm owners. Just look around you:

PROGUN did not really push hard for HB3501, apparently
because some of its heavies felt they'd been 'excluded'
from the bill-drafting process(!!!). What matters pala is
getting their seats at the table, not whether HB3501 is
going to help protect our rights.

I had high hopes for BoG at first, as an informal platform
for promoting a proper firearm-owner culture: one based
on a sober and responsible civic-mindedness. But soon
enough there were calls to incorporate formally, and the
firearm discussions tended to project PRECISELY the sort
of "rich boy" image that the press loves to associate with
irresponsible gun ownership (...Ryan Jaworski, Jason Ivler,
etc., ad nauseam). Mind you, I dig talking the 'lifestyle',
but when it's firearm-ownership being discussed, a more
respectable posting attitude might accrue.

I dislike political lobbies, for the disproportionate and
ultimately undemocratic influence they'd exert on our
government. I'd prefer to promote intelligent voting,
and the showcasing of a proper gun-owner culture.

Hey, I've tried laying out the evidence favoring or else
disfavoring certain candidates PRIOR TO ELECTIONS, in
threads going back to 2004, to little avail. Even firearm
owners (like BoGs) keep on voting for the same sort of
clowns, or squandering their vote on unwinnables, or
not even voting at all (fitting the apathetic "rich boy"
stereotype media foists on us). Sayang lang ang pagod
ko, 'di ba?


Ngayon lang, with elections just weeks away, and even
with the vast power of the internet at their disposal,
how many BoGs know of the stances of candidates on
firearm-ownership? Matter of public record 'yan, and I
mean internet record.

You can lead a horse to water, right?

Generic exhortation na lang ang ibigay ko.
I'm urging that we do what we can as individuals, sans
any lobbies or organizations:

-Vote wisely.
-Project a good image as a firearm-owner.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:11   #34
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De Lima rejects total gun ban

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/01...-total-gun-ban

And of course

PNoy not keen on total gun ban, won't stop target shooting

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/01...arget-shooting

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Old 01-09-2013, 18:10   #35
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Salute pnoy for standing his ground on firearm ownership. Logic prevails.


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Old 01-10-2013, 06:25   #36
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Interesting debate on ANC between Pacheco and PROGUN. It's a good thing someone is speaking for responsible firearm owners.

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Old 01-12-2013, 18:53   #37
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Interesting debate on ANC between Pacheco and PROGUN. It's a good thing someone is speaking for responsible firearm owners.

Gov't promoting PH gun culture - Pacheco - YouTube
Thanks for the link, Mike.
First few minutes pa lang... the contrast beween
the two guests is stark and clear.

Tabujara did a great job, his human and humane priority
was to show and demonstrate concern for the victims
of criminals abusing firearms.

Pacheco was, as usual, a complete tool.
He was "fed up with this violence", and tried to shame
the government, which is ALREADY adding restrictions
on legitimate firearm owners, by claiming that PH.gov
is promoting "a culture of guns, a culture of violence".

Pacheco objects to "gun exhibits", "the selling of guns",
and "allowing people to carry" guns. He is thus shown
to be effectively opposed to ALL firearm ownership by
citizens... even though he claims he is not.
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Old 01-16-2013, 02:23   #38
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Details emerge on gun control proposal coming Wednesday

Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama will unveil Wednesday a package of gun control proposals that, according to a source, will include universal background checks and bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/16/politi...html?hpt=hp_t1
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Old 02-04-2013, 17:41   #39
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Here's how the media typically does a report on gun ownership. Reports like these remind me that we individually have an obligation to convey to our friends the reality that we aren't trigger-happy psychopaths, but responsible, law-abiding citizens who are concerned for their personal safety.

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Old 02-04-2013, 18:56   #40
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http://www.senate.gov.ph/lisdata/1507312687!.pdf

This is what they say for final reading this afternoon....
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Old 02-04-2013, 20:07   #41
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Hanggang Feb 9 na lang po yung session ng kongresso. Aabot pa kaya po ito? Parang mas maganda kung yung current batas nalang....
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Old 02-04-2013, 21:24   #42
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Thanks for the link, jprj!

On page 15 of the proposed bill, Sec. 19 states: "All types of licenses to possess a firearm shall be renewed every two years..."

The next paragraph then states "The registration of the firearm shall be renewed every four years..."

Does this mean that the proposed bill is seeking to have separate licensing for the firearm owner, and licensing for each unit of firearm that he/she purchases? That sucks!
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Old 02-06-2013, 23:46   #43
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Senate OK’s ‘Marcosian’ gun law

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/353257/...cosian-gun-law
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