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Old 02-07-2013, 23:32   #1
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Recommend An AR Optic

I have a flat top upper, with flip up Magpul rear sights, and standard front sights. I was always trained with standard Iron sights, but wanted to try out something different..... Looking for some sort of a Red dot optic, without the Eotech prices.... Any recommendations?
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Old 02-07-2013, 23:39   #2
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Not sure what the going Eotech price is but Primary Arms red dots are around $100 and seem to be very favorable across the forums. However like everything remotely AR related many of them are unavailable.
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Old 02-07-2013, 23:40   #3
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On the cheap???

Primary Arms is the way to go. Mine is still going strong after 2 years.

Or a Burris MTAC and a cheap mount.
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Old 02-07-2013, 23:46   #4
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The Primary Arms Multi-Reticle 30mm Red Dot Sight is a pretty good red dot sight and can be had for $99. It has a lot of very good reviews.

Primary Arms red dot link: https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_...M_p/pam3m.html

If you want/can spend more money on a professional top quality sight, then something from Aimpoint is the way to go.
https://www.primaryarms.com/Aimpoint_s/582.htm

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Old 02-07-2013, 23:46   #5
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I have a flat top upper, with flip up Magpul rear sights, and standard front sights. I was always trained with standard Iron sights, but wanted to try out something different..... Looking for some sort of a Red dot optic, without the Eotech prices.... Any recommendations?
Aimpoint is where it's really at. Quality optics cost money.

But if you want to go budget, top runners I would look at:'

Vortex Sparc
Primary Arms Micro

Most of what will be recommended can be found here:

https://www.primaryarms.com/Red_Dot_Sights_s/901.htm
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Old 02-07-2013, 23:58   #6
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I just got a Primary Arms 30mm red dot in the mail today for my dedicated .22 lr AR. The quality for the price is great. Its every bit as clear as my Aimpoint Pro on my go to AR, and in fact I like the controls better. No the battery life is not going to be nearly as long, you cannot go scuba diving with it, and you can't use it with night vision. For a plinker/hobby gun on budget I think Primary Arms is the way to go.
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I just got a Primary Arms 30mm red dot in the mail today for my dedicated .22 lr AR. The quality for the price is great. Its every bit as clear as my Aimpoint Pro on my go to AR, and in fact I like the controls better. No the battery life is not going to be nearly as long, you cannot go scuba diving with it, and you can't use it with night vision. For a plinker/hobby gun on budget I think Primary Arms is the way to go.
I agree.

And that is a great use for one of those sights...mimicking your go-to gun's Aimpoint without the expense for when you do some lite/volume stuff using the more affordabe .22lr. My S&W M&P 15-22 might end up with one in the future
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Old 02-08-2013, 00:59   #8
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If you're just experimenting to see what you like, the Primary Arms isn't bad.


If your life will ever possibly depend on it, get an Aimpoint. You get what you pay for in optics.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:26   #9
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Just looking more for an optic that I can dial in, and keep it dialed in. Don't want to be cheap, To pay for an optic that cost more than my upper receiver is crazy. When I went into SWAT school, the instructors told us to take any Television Sets off of our rifles.... Didn't bother me, because I wasn't issued an optic in the military anyway. Wanted to give them a shot now... So consensus is Aimpoint or Primary Arms. Thanks I'll look into them.

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Actually, the consensus is Aimpoint. Primary Arms is a good cheap Chinese made 'idea tester' though for 1/6 the price.

The SWAT instructor appears to be stuck in the 80s, but that's nothing new, I'd have personally laughed at him. There's over half a million Aimpoints in service in the Army alone with 10+ years of continous combat time testing them. They're not perfect but they're the best combat optic (unmagnified) for close-medium range work anyone has built yet, and the ACOG's have the longer ranges pretty well covered.
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For cheap go primary arms. For quality on the cheap go Aimpoint Pro. Skip anything in between.
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:55   #12
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I'm running an Aimpoint Comp M2 on my rifle, and will upgrade to one of their Micro products later this year when I finish the build I'm working in now.
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:57   #13
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Pete, I've got one of the Primary Arms red dot sights I'm not using if you'd like to give it a try. It looks just like this one:

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_...3M_p/pam3m.htm

It's got a mount on it as well. I've got no need for it, since I've got an Aimpoint. It always held zero and worked well though. I'll let you have it if you reimburse me for shipping once you get it and check it out.

If you decide to try it and decide you like red dot optics (like I did) and upgrade to an Aimpoint/Eotech, then just give it away to the next guy on GT looking to try one. If you like it and just want to keep it on your gun, then great, I hope it gives you years of good service.

Let me know if you're interested.
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:20   #14
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If he doesn't take you up on it and you're still willing, I'd like it, but obv. Pete gets dibs.

If it does come to me I promise to pass it on when I upgrade next year.
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If he doesn't take you up on it and you're still willing, I'd like it, but obv. Pete gets dibs.

If it does come to me I promise to pass it on when I upgrade next year.
Alright, you're next in line
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:27   #16
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I have a flat top upper, with flip up Magpul rear sights, and standard front sights. I was always trained with standard Iron sights, but wanted to try out something different..... Looking for some sort of a Red dot optic, without the Eotech prices.... Any recommendations?
I put EOTech HHS 1 on my Colt M4 and I think it rocks!

I recommend the system big time

oh, and I put the Magpul rear sight on it as well. It fits just fine on the rail with the HHS 1.

SOORY! I just reread and see you didn't want to pay a lot... (sorry) I still recommend though if you fall into some cash.
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:32   #17
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If you're just experimenting to see what you like, the Primary Arms isn't bad.


If your life will ever possibly depend on it, get an Aimpoint. You get what you pay for in optics.
This sums up my thoughts nicely. The only reason I am getting rid of the AImpoint M2 I have had for almost 4 years is because I want the smaller and lighter T1 Micro.

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For cheap go primary arms. For quality on the cheap go Aimpoint Pro. Skip anything in between.
Yep. Marshall (owner of Primary Arms) is a great person to do business with, and offers a good product for a great price - but they're no Aimpoints.

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I'm running an Aimpoint Comp M2 on my rifle, and will upgrade to one of their Micro products later this year when I finish the build I'm working in now.
I'm doing the same thing this month - T1 2MOA to replace my M2.
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If he doesn't take you up on it and you're still willing, I'd like it, but obv. Pete gets dibs.

If it does come to me I promise to pass it on when I upgrade next year.
Hey if I don't hear from Pete by tonight, it's all yours.
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Hey if I don't hear from Pete by tonight, it's all yours.
Fantastic, you're the best!

*secretly crossing fingers his power is out.... *
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What is the prefered dot size, 2moa or 4moa? I want to pick up a T1 in the future.
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