GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-31-2013, 06:57   #1
Ljutic
Senior Member
 
Ljutic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 135
Clear Gel Terminal Test Benchmark Speer Gold Dot 125 Grain 357 Magnum

Here's a look at the high water mark for defensive pistol ammo. Now we have something to compare against.

http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2...125-grain.html

Caliber Corner
__________________
Author and solo contributor to the Pocket Guns and Gear blog. http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com
Ljutic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2013, 08:59   #2
SCmasterblaster
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Hartford, Vermont
Posts: 15,846
That's right. The .357 Mag 125gr JHP load has a 95+% stopping power according to Evan Marshall.
__________________
Gun Ownership Offers Freedom in Many Dimensions
SCmasterblaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2013, 09:34   #3
9mm +p+
Senior Member
 
9mm +p+'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: KS
Posts: 2,419
Quote:
Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster View Post
That's right. The .357 Mag 125gr JHP load has a 95+% stopping power according to Evan Marshall.
Mock all you want, when i started in Le in the early 90's as a reservist I carried and used a 4" 686 federal 125. It was an amazing load the likes of which I've yet to see again, I can't even describe how well it works against folks, even folks hopped up on PCP. I've personally used and have seen it used on about 10 different occasions, 9 were DRT's, in other words 100% cease and desist hostile actions on the ground. Since then I've used 9mm, 40 S&W and have seen 45 ACP, NONE of which performed anywhere near the 357 magnums level,period.
__________________
Si vis pacem parabellum
9mm +p+ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2013, 09:51   #4
SCmasterblaster
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Hartford, Vermont
Posts: 15,846
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9mm +p+ View Post
Mock all you want, when i started in Le in the early 90's as a reservist I carried and used a 4" 686 federal 125. It was an amazing load the likes of which I've yet to see again, I can't even describe how well it works against folks, even folks hopped up on PCP. I've personally used and have seen it used on about 10 different occasions, 9 were DRT's, in other words 100% cease and desist hostile actions on the ground. Since then I've used 9mm, 40 S&W and have seen 45 ACP, NONE of which performed anywhere near the 357 magnums level,period.
It is too bad that the two dead FBI agents in the Miami Shootout didn't initially use .357 Magnums against Platt and Maddox. The shootout would have ended quite a bit earlier.
__________________
Gun Ownership Offers Freedom in Many Dimensions
SCmasterblaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2013, 10:13   #5
M 7
Senior Member
 
M 7's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1,003
That's excellent performance from the test round.

Thanks for doing the test, Ljutic.
__________________
For those who CCW: QUANTITATIVE AMMUNITION SELECTION
M 7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2013, 10:24   #6
Beware Owner
NOT a victim.
 
Beware Owner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 9,143
That's rough.
__________________
Free men have arms; slaves do not. Tyrants mistrust the people, hence they deprive them of arms.
Criminals for Gun Control
Myth: Gun Control Reduces Crime
Homegrown Terrorism
Beware Owner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2013, 15:56   #7
SCmasterblaster
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Hartford, Vermont
Posts: 15,846
Great wound channel.
__________________
Gun Ownership Offers Freedom in Many Dimensions
SCmasterblaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2013, 16:18   #8
Ljutic
Senior Member
 
Ljutic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 135
It's going to be interesting to see how the hot 9's, 40's, and 45's compare through the same stress test barrier. I really didn't think the .357 magnum would do this well. It's definitely set the bar pretty high.

__________________
Author and solo contributor to the Pocket Guns and Gear blog. http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com
Ljutic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2013, 21:40   #9
Ak.Hiker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Homer Alaska
Posts: 2,296
Interesting info. Question for 9mm+p+. Was that the Federal C357B that you carried.
Ak.Hiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2013, 12:38   #10
BrokenArrow
Senior Member
 
BrokenArrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Lost In Space
Posts: 6,085
The 125/357M loads that gave it it's outstanding rep on the street w cops, the 125g SJHP, had a terminal ballistic profile that got it failing grades in the FBI test series. Had about the same performance in the FBI test series as the 115g 9mm Silvertip (about 11.5 inches, .55 caliber, 35% "succcess rate"/14 of 40 at least 12 inches).

The 357M load carried by the FBI at the time of the Miami Massacre was the 145g Silvertip. It had the same penetration and expansion profile as the 147g 9mm HS load the FBI went to later (about 18 inches/.50 caliber avg for entire 8 event/40 shot series, w 33 0f 40 going at least 12 inches/82.5%).

IOW, the 115/9 Silvertip and the mighty 125/357M looked the same to the FBI, ditto the 145/357M and 147/9 HS. Lottsa cops thought they worked different though, still do.

The 125/357 SIG and Mag Gold Dots give you the best of both. High energy w deep penetration after tactical barriers: FBI avgs about 16/.55/95-100% at least 12 inches.
__________________
>>>>------>
BrokenArrow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2013, 18:08   #11
collim1
Shower Time!
 
collim1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 9,955
Gotta love the .357mag. Revolvers dont get much respect these days except for 5 shot pocket pistols. I have a feeling revolvers will make a big comeback if the libs do get any serious magazine restrictions passed.

If I cant have 15+ rds of 9mm I'd want 6 of something with some real zing to it, and the 125g Gold Dot is no doubt what I'd load it with.

Last edited by collim1; 02-03-2013 at 18:09..
collim1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2013, 18:36   #12
fredj338
Senior Member
 
fredj338's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: so.cal.
Posts: 21,132
Blog Entries: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by collim1 View Post
Gotta love the .357mag. Revolvers dont get much respect these days except for 5 shot pocket pistols. I have a feeling revolvers will make a big comeback if the libs do get any serious magazine restrictions passed.

If I cant have 15+ rds of 9mm I'd want 6 of something with some real zing to it, and the 125g Gold Dot is no doubt what I'd load it with.
Well last time the 10rd mag limit went into effect, the 45acp got quite a pop back w/ a lot of small/lt 1911s. I would have no issue carrying my 2 1/2" M66 w/ a spare reload, but ccw is a bit diff than uniform carry. The 357sig in a sim size gun is also a very good choice.
__________________
"Given adequate penetration, a larger diameter bullet will have an edge in wounding effectiveness. It will damage a blood vessel the smaller projectile barely misses. The larger permanent cavity may lead to faster blood loss. Although such an edge clearly exists, its significance cannot be quantified".

Last edited by fredj338; 02-03-2013 at 18:37..
fredj338 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2013, 19:01   #13
Merkavaboy
Code-7A KUZ769
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In The State Of Fruitloops (CA)
Posts: 5,301
Both the .357/125 and the 9mm+P+/115 have a long proven street record of stopping BG's in their tracks but yet they are ignored by the FBI and "expert" jello shooters. After the '86 FBI fiasco what did the FBI issue in 9mm? The feeble and erratic performing Win 147JHP, the Darling of the jello shooters.
__________________
"I spent the last two years of high school in a daze....attended classes sparingly, drank beer heavily, and tried drugs enthusiastically."
Barack Obama
One Bad Ass Mistake America
Merkavaboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2013, 20:50   #14
Tiro Fijo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 5,044
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrokenArrow View Post
...The 357M load carried by the FBI at the time of the Miami Massacre was the 145g Silvertip...

Yes, agents then had the choice of using the 145gr. ST, but they actually carried .38 Special +p that day.
Tiro Fijo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2013, 22:09   #15
Zombie Steve
Decap Pin Killa
 
Zombie Steve's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Old Colorado City
Posts: 19,934
.357 mag is pretty cool. Welcome to 1934.


Was shooting some 160 grain lswc's yesterday at the new Ft. Carson range at 50 yards. Those loads make me look like I know what I'm doing.

Zombie Steve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2013, 09:49   #16
SCmasterblaster
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Hartford, Vermont
Posts: 15,846
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie Steve View Post
.357 mag is pretty cool. Welcome to 1934.


Was shooting some 160 grain lswc's yesterday at the new Ft. Carson range at 50 yards. Those loads make me look like I know what I'm doing.

Ah yes, the classic .357 load - the 160gr LSWC. Hits hard all the way out to 100 yards.
__________________
Gun Ownership Offers Freedom in Many Dimensions
SCmasterblaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2013, 14:41   #17
Ljutic
Senior Member
 
Ljutic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 135
The 158 Grain test went up on the blog yesterday. It wouldn't be my first choice for a self defense load. http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2...158-grain.html

Caliber Corner
__________________
Author and solo contributor to the Pocket Guns and Gear blog. http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com
Ljutic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2013, 08:41   #18
Ak.Hiker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Homer Alaska
Posts: 2,296
The 158 grain Gold Dot is a tough bullet. Double Tap loads it as well.
Ak.Hiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2013, 11:41   #19
SCmasterblaster
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Hartford, Vermont
Posts: 15,846
Indeed - the classic 158gr .357 magnum.
__________________
Gun Ownership Offers Freedom in Many Dimensions
SCmasterblaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2013, 12:06   #20
Zombie Steve
Decap Pin Killa
 
Zombie Steve's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Old Colorado City
Posts: 19,934
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ljutic View Post
The 158 Grain test went up on the blog yesterday. It wouldn't be my first choice for a self defense load.

It's a great all-rounder for personal protection. Probably too much penetration against people, not as big and fat as I'd like for animals, but if I could only have one load for .357 mag, 158's would be what I'd pick...
Zombie Steve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2013, 12:09   #21
SCmasterblaster
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Hartford, Vermont
Posts: 15,846
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie Steve View Post
It's a great all-rounder for personal protection. Probably too much penetration against people, not as big and fat as I'd like for animals, but if I could only have one load for .357 mag, 158's would be what I'd pick...
I recall back in the 70's where Speer came out with a .357 140gr SJHP bullet for reloaders. Where has the time gone?
__________________
Gun Ownership Offers Freedom in Many Dimensions

Last edited by SCmasterblaster; 02-10-2013 at 12:10..
SCmasterblaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:00.



Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 1,153
348 Members
805 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,244
Nov 11, 2013 at 11:42