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Old 02-03-2013, 12:39   #26
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You're kidding. I live about 6 miles from Manassas and go there a lot. I have never had a negative comment or reaction in Manassas in the over 5 1/2 years I have been OC'ing on a regular basis. Manassas is a no brainer, as is Virginia in general, to open carry. Just in the past two weeks I OC'd in Shoppers on Sudley Manor, Costco, Philadephia Tavern, Virginia Arms, Adams Pizza, Jute Box Diner, Office Depot.... those are the places that come to mind right away. I'm sure if I took the time, I could come up with a lot more.

The area just outside of NOVA and in NOVA is very friendly to open carry.
There's something that those of us who do open carry and have done so for a long while forget.

New guys ain't as smooth and cool acting as us veterans.

When we scan an area, our heads don't even move. Our eye movement is undetectable. We turn without really moving our bodies. Our smiles are disarming, not alarming. We nod to others and it makes them comfortable, at ease.

When we ask ladies with children behind us in the grocery line if they want to go first so the kids don't have to stand around and wait, they say thank you, not change to another lane.

I bet Willfulone was not as cool as us!!

All of the above is somewhat exaggerated. Some will say just a little. Some will say no way. Guess which group open carries more often...

Oh, the ladies with kids in grocery stores, that is not an exaggeration. I do it all the time...
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Old 02-03-2013, 13:32   #27
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We play a bar that the owner walks around with a sidearm open carry. I think it's weird! I wish he concealed, It feels awkward for a reason that I can't put a handle on...
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Because you've been inundated with the suggestion that guns are bad for so long it's settled into your brain. Reprogram yourself and get out from under that.
well actually another reason now that I think about it...(see below)

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Amen, HerrGlock...

GIG, c'mon, you can say it. You're not afraid of guns, so it must be the guy weirds you out. Or do you believe a patron of the establishment will take the gun away to voice displeasure with the night's entertainment.
You got it! I think it's too accessable to a trouble maker. If someone got it from him - is the line of thinking that weirds me out with it. I always thank him for not spending a round after a song or two

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Years ago I worked with a drummer who kept a loaded 1911 in his stick quiver. I guess I'd consider that a CCW because it was hidden. But I never worried much when working bars.

Weddings? Just made me laugh thinking about it.
I always have one at the ready BUT the only ones who know it are my bandmates and wife. Concealing it seems to be my preference to feel confortable with it in a room full of drunks.
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Old 02-03-2013, 13:35   #28
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When we ask ladies with children behind us in the grocery line if they want to go first so the kids don't have to stand around and wait, they say thank you, not change to another lane.
OC. Do it for the children!

I remember reading about one OC encounter that didn't go well. Guy OC'd in a bad area, either no situational awareness or the BG's were better at hiding their intentions than he was a sussing them out.

Anyway, they followed him into a convenience store at a gas station in a bad neighborhood, no retention, grabbed the gun. He also followed them out trying to get the gun back. All he got some ammunition back. In the chest if I recall correctly. I think that was local here in Detroit, unless I read about it here.

In a case like that, there were a lot of mistakes made. OC was really not one of them. At least it was not the root cause.

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OC. Do it for the children!

I remember reading about one OC encounter that didn't go well. Guy OC'd in a bad area, either no situational awareness or the BG's were better at hiding their intentions than he was a sussing them out.

Anyway, they followed him into a convenience store at a gas station in a bad neighborhood, no retention, grabbed the gun. He also followed them out trying to get the gun back. All he got some ammunition back. In the chest if I recall correctly. I think that was local here in Detroit, unless I read about it here.

In a case like that, there were a lot of mistakes made. OC was really not one of them. At least it was not the root cause.

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It was in Richmond, Virginia.

Two guys followed the OCer into the store and immediately went for his firearm. He fought. They took is gun away. He chased them around inside the store. One guy shot him.

Later that night, the guy shot someone else.

The shooter's grandmother lived in the same apartment complex as the victim. Never heard if that was a factor.
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OC is pretty much a shoot me first bad guy or steal my gun with your gun event. I've done it once that all.
Cites, please. Yes it has happened three times of which I am aware. That's pretty rare. We have one incident on record in my state. One.
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There's something that those of us who do open carry and have done so for a long while forget.

New guys ain't as smooth and cool acting as us veterans.

When we scan an area, our heads don't even move. Our eye movement is undetectable. We turn without really moving our bodies. Our smiles are disarming, not alarming. We nod to others and it makes them comfortable, at ease.

When we ask ladies with children behind us in the grocery line if they want to go first so the kids don't have to stand around and wait, they say thank you, not change to another lane.

I bet Willfulone was not as cool as us!!

All of the above is somewhat exaggerated. Some will say just a little. Some will say no way. Guess which group open carries more often...

Oh, the ladies with kids in grocery stores, that is not an exaggeration. I do it all the time...
Excellent points and observations. I'm sure all of what you mentioned is true and I concur that my normal actions while OC'ing, or even while CC'ing, are pretty obscure to the uninitiated. That and the fact that I am very polite and friendly anyway and in particular when visibly carrying a sidearm.
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Old 02-03-2013, 16:08   #32
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Old 02-05-2013, 19:57   #33
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I only carry concealed. I would use a retention holster before I would open carry. I think I would also carry a backup pistol.

I like keeping a low profile. It keeps people calmer.
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Old 02-06-2013, 19:09   #34
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If my CPL renewal doesn't get here in another month, i just might OC.
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Old 02-06-2013, 19:25   #35
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Only the ones behind me...

If it cleared people from in front of me, I might
just do it every time I go to the market


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If that really worked I'd carry one one each hip!

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Old 02-06-2013, 20:02   #36
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OC isn't an option here in TX. I think I'd still prefer to CC anyway. I've never had anyone give me a look of alarm about something on my hip they didn't know was there.

It's a personal preference as far as I'm concerned. No problem either way.
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Most folks just get over any attention seeking tendencies by the time they reach adulthood. This is why most choose not to go out of their way to get others to motoce them where concealment is legal.
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I like keeping a low profile. It keeps people calmer.
I like keeping a low profile too.
It is legal to open carry in my state but I don't see anyone doing it in the area I live in.
Too far north I suppose.
Anyway, I would conceal even if a lot of people open carried around me because urban camo is looking like everyone else and blending in.Woodland camo in the forrest.
Common everyday Joe in the city.
I think it makes sense.
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I like keeping a low profile too.
It is legal to open carry in my state but I don't see anyone doing it in the area I live in.
Too far north I suppose.
Anyway, I would conceal even if a lot of people open carried around me because urban camo is looking like everyone else and blending in.Woodland camo in the forrest.
Common everyday Joe in the city.
I think it makes sense.
It depends on the city, here in Phoenix it's common. As far as I'm concerned, if OC is legal, then too many people have become so weak they have to "hide" their gun and tell us it's a "tactical advantage".

Have some tactical bacon with that as well

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As far as I'm concerned, if OC is legal, then too many people have become so weak they have to "hide" their gun and tell us it's a "tactical advantage".
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Anyone that thinks there is not a tactical advantage to a BG not knowing if you are armed or not is out of their mind. It is not a matter of weak/strong (how "strong" do you really have to be to walk around OC'ing?) but more a matter of common sense.
What advantages to I have with CC?:
---NO ONE knows I'm armed
-------I am not going to be stopped and asked ANYTHING by ANYONE.
-------I will not be targeted by someone wanting my gun
-------I do not have to act any different than I would any other day
---I'm sure there are others

Advantage of OC:
---You do not have to move a shirt/jacket to get to the gun.
---You get to look super cool/LEO'ish

^^^These are assuming you have both options. If my ONLY option was OC I would do it. Other than that, I just don't see the pros and cons in favor of OC.

ETA: Sorry to get back to the OP, that officer was super cool IMHO. He gets a big thumbs up!

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I mostly CC but here in Virginia Beach it is not uncommon to see someone OC. No one says a word usually.

I was in Home Depot a couple of months ago and while waiting for my paint to be mixed I looked over to my right and saw a guy OCing. Soon another man walked up and asked what holster that was and if the OCer liked it and stated what holster he was CCing. Next a second guy who overheard the conversation commented that he used a holster made by the same company for CC.


I was also CCing but didn't chime into the bro-fest. There were 4 of us excersizing out rights at the paint counter that day! God bless whats left of America.
AMEN! That paint mixing event was one to remember.
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OC isn't an option here in TX. I think I'd still prefer to CC anyway. I've never had anyone give me a look of alarm about something on my hip they didn't know was there.

It's a personal preference as far as I'm concerned. No problem either way.
HB700 to allow OC is on the books for 2103 Legislation. I hope it passes. I will probably CC anyway most of the time, but I like OC for the fact I can have the weapon open on my truck seat and I don't have to worry about accidental uncover. I know the law says it is an offense if it is an intentional showing, but you might get that one cop that determined it was not accidental in his mind, OC takes all the worry out of that.
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I always CC when I take my gun out in public. Really the only time I OC is when I am in the woods at the property or
when I go hunting.

I was going out with my 16 yo this morning and he asked me
why I don't OC since it is legal in VA. Basically I told him I
did not want the attention and that I was sensitive to the
potion of the public that was not particularly fond of guns...

But, I agreed to, mostly because he asked and I was curious.
So I strapped my 19 to my hip and out we went.

First stop was the 7-11 around the corner from my house. I have gone there pretty much every day for 11 years so
everyone there knows me and my family. We walked in
and I got a cup of coffee. There was a Police Officer
getting a coffee. I was pouring my stuff in my cup and
happened to notice he had stopped stirring his coffee. I
looked up and he was looking directly at me. I smiled and
said good morning, went back to finishing up my coffee.
Went up and paid. The girl at the counter smiled and said
good morning, then looked down, then up at me, then
down again, then up at me, then over to the Officer. I
paid and we walked out. The Officer paid and left behind
us. We got on the same road, he followed me for about 3
miles and then turned off.

The second stop was at GNC to get my son some more
Probolic. No one in the store seemed to notice or if they
did, I could not tell.

The third stop was was at ACE hardware. When we
walked in, a kid at the door greeted us and saw the
gun. He actually stopped talking in mid sentence. We
just kept walking to the bolt isle. I go there several times
a week, to get fasteners and other things I need for work
so I was only in the bolt isle for about a minute. When we
came back out to the main isle, the kid at the front has
manager and I can see him pointing at us from the front
of the store. We walked to the front of the store and I
said hi to Kevin the manager and we chatted for a while.
He asked what kind of gun I was carrying and joked if I
was expecting trouble. Paid and left.

The last stop we made was at the supermarket to pick
up some stuff for the game tomorrow. No one seemed
to notice while we were walking around the store. When
we were in line to pay (long line) a little kid behind us
said to his mother, "Mommy, look at that gun" She
grabbed him and switched lines. The lady behind her
stepped up, and then she switched lines too. Paid and
left.

So all in all, we had no trouble, but it was pretty much
as I expected. It drew attention that I did not want and
it clearly made people uncomfortable.


I'll just go back to CC


Will

But if you were to strap on a badge nobody would care. You would automatically be thought of as a good guy. Take off the badge and your automatically dubbed a criminal.

You just got to love that double standard stereotype.


However, concealed carry would have prevented this. I'm glad that you exercised your right to open carry and I'm even more glad to hear your going to go back to concealed carry.

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I think I'd still prefer to CC anyway. I've never had anyone give me a look of alarm about something on my hip they didn't know was there. .
I agree. After all, that's why I went thought the licensing process in the first place. I don't want to advertise that I'm carrying. That's the purpose of concealed carry in the first place. Out of sight and out of mind. You know it's there and that's all that matters.
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I would like to see open carry legal in Texas. I would still carry concealed in the city for a few reasons. I wouldn't want to be a criminals first target for theft or assault. Also, I wouldn't want to scare/push someone who is uneducated about firearms even further towards the left.
However it would be nice to not have to be concerned about printing. It would be nice to not have to worry about keeping a hand gun concealed in a vehicle, although I'm still not sure how much that would affect vehicle carry laws... Anyways, And when I'm out in the country, at the ranch hunting or in a very rural area where just about everyone owns firearms, and need to make a quick run to the store it would be convenient not to have to switch holsters every time. But walking the streets of downtown houston, Austin, or Dallas OC-ing I'm sure would scare some people and do more harm than help in regards to protecting our 2A rights.
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Would you really expect a police officer and a permit holder to be seen as the same? I agree with your last paragraph (bolded) though.
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But if you were to strap on a badge nobody would care. You would automatically be thought of as a good guy. Take off the badge and your automatically dubbed a criminal.

You just got to love that double standard stereotype.


However, concealed carry would have prevented this. I'm glad that you exercised your right to open carry and I'm even more glad to hear your going to go back to concealed carry.

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So all in all, we had no trouble, but it was pretty much
as I expected. It drew attention that I did not want and
it clearly made people uncomfortable.


I'll just go back to CC


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Anyone that thinks there is not a tactical advantage to a BG not knowing if you are armed or not is out of their mind. It is not a matter of weak/strong (how "strong" do you really have to be to walk around OC'ing?) but more a matter of common sense.
What advantages to I have with CC?:
---NO ONE knows I'm armed
-------I am not going to be stopped and asked ANYTHING by ANYONE.
-------I will not be targeted by someone wanting my gun
-------I do not have to act any different than I would any other day
---I'm sure there are others

Advantage of OC:
---You do not have to move a shirt/jacket to get to the gun.
---You get to look super cool/LEO'ish

^^^These are assuming you have both options. If my ONLY option was OC I would do it. Other than that, I just don't see the pros and cons in favor of OC.

ETA: Sorry to get back to the OP, that officer was super cool IMHO. He gets a big thumbs up!
Statistically most violent crimes are committed by young males.

I could dig to try and weed out things like domestic violence - but I think that would just increase the statistical liklihood of an attacker being a young male.

So, if you're attacker is most likely going to be a young scared kid -- I would imagine that attacker visibly seeing that you are armed and confident is also a benefit.

You may just view it as a pitfal - or 'looking cool' like a LEO, but the reality is to a kid looking to snag some cash to get his fix... it's a going to be a concern.

Like all things in nature - a predator will look for the weakest available prey. That may not hold true 100% of the time, but it does the vast majority.

Therefor, open carrying may very well prevent you from NEEDING your firearm as it prevents an encounter you will never know was going to occur.
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Plus it gets you attention! I'm less likely to be attacked by youthful addicts carrying if I'm carrying an axe too. Doesn't make it a great idea.
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I guess the reaction OC gets depends on where you live, here in Western Colorado I'm surprised by the positive reactions I get. Back in Dec I went to a craft store to get candle wax and wicks for making emergency heat candles in advance of a trip over the mountains. As I was leaving I saw an elderly woman walking with a cane approaching the doors, so I exited the right side door and stepped around to hold it for her putting my strong side towards her. As she was going in, in the sweetest voice she said "Why, thank you" then looked down at my sidearm and said "And thank you again".
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