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Old 02-09-2013, 21:12   #151
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And a good name for the product. "Glock" sounds aggressive, rhymes with something naughty, etc. Great for marketing. If Gaston's last name were Ferschiggity, well ... I don't know about the rest of you, but I probably wouldn't have spent the last 12 years of my life making occasional visits to FerschiggityTalk.com.

I guess if his name really was Ferschiggity he'd have used something else for the name of his company, but still ... as names go, Glock is a blessing.
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Old 02-09-2013, 22:00   #152
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Old 02-09-2013, 23:01   #153
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Yes. Glock intoduced a new thought process to the mainstream and made it work out of the box....unlike many 1911's.
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Old 02-09-2013, 23:26   #154
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Yes. Glock intoduced a new thought process to the mainstream and made it work out of the box....unlike many 1911's.
How many wars had the Glocks been deployed to by a major military force?
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Old 02-09-2013, 23:29   #155
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How many wars had the Glocks been deployed to by a major military force?
Probably every one of them since the 1980s, to one degree or another.


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Old 02-09-2013, 23:31   #156
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By which major military force? The British Army just barely issued them right now.
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Old 02-09-2013, 23:38   #157
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By which major military force? The British Army just barely issued them right now.
Israel, Brazil, France, Bangladesh, Denmark, Georgia, India, Iraq (post invasion), Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Mexico, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Romania, Sweden, Switzerland, Venezuela, Yemen...


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Old 02-10-2013, 00:24   #158
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Yes. Glock intoduced a new thought process to the mainstream and made it work out of the box....unlike many 1911's.

Here is another attempt to make it about the Glock VS the 1911 Is comprehension a lost art?

The 1911 as manufactured according to Browning's design and issued had a very good reliability record in the US military Until the started wearing out as the Glock will as well.

and by the way, how is GG's .50 cal machinegun going? His .30 cal or his levergun designs, or his shotguns?

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Here is another attempt to make it about the Glock VS the 1911 Is comprehension a lost art?

The 1911 as manufactured according to Browning's design and issued had a very good reliability record in the US military Until the started wearing out as the Glock will as well.

and by the way, how is GG's .50 cal machinegun going? His .30 cal or his levergun designs, or his shotguns?

If you can only see in one dimension stay out of three-dimensional discussions.

My deeeeeepest apologies. I can't afford a 3D monitor.
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Old 02-10-2013, 00:37   #160
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Here is another attempt to make it about the Glock VS the 1911 Is comprehension a lost art?

The 1911 as manufactured according to Browning's design and issued had a very good reliability record in the US military Until the started wearing out as the Glock will as well.

and by the way, how is GG's .50 cal machinegun going? His .30 cal or his levergun designs, or his shotguns?

If you can only see in one dimension stay out of three-dimensional discussions.
Yes the whole glock vs 1911 debate is useless. Two guns whose design was over 6 decades apart.

I would note that John Browning himself stated that his greatest pistol design was the Hi-Power, not the 1911 though.


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Old 02-10-2013, 00:46   #161
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If you look at the totality and longevity of Browning's firearms designs, there is really nobody who is on his level. And it's not even close. Those who are arguing this point apparently have no idea how many successful firearms...military and commercial...pistols, rifles, shotguns, machine guns, etc. ...that JB is actually responsible for. Sure, there have been other great designers who have produced a great design, or two, or three ("improvements" on someone else's original design really shouldn't be counted)...but there is no one, repeat no one, who has had as many successful designs and whose designs have remained as viable, even cutting edge, for as long.

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Old 02-10-2013, 00:48   #162
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Yes the whole glock vs 1911 debate is useless. Two guns whose design was over 6 decades apart.

I would note that John Browning himself stated that his greatest pistol design was the Hi-Power, not the 1911 though.


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Indeed, I was just referring to the other poster's mistaken concept.

BYW I didn't think Browning was still alive when Duidonne Sauivie (sp?) finished up the P-35 design?
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Here is another attempt to make it about the Glock VS the 1911 Is comprehension a lost art?

The 1911 as manufactured according to Browning's design and issued had a very good reliability record in the US military Until the started wearing out as the Glock will as well.

and by the way, how is GG's .50 cal machinegun going? His .30 cal or his levergun designs, or his shotguns?

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Old 02-10-2013, 02:21   #165
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Indeed, I was just referring to the other poster's mistaken concept.

BYW I didn't think Browning was still alive when Duidonne Sauivie (sp?) finished up the P-35 design?
No he wasn't.

Dieudonné Saive incorporated some patents that had expired after Brownings death into the Hi-Power, like the lock breach design from the 1911, etc..

Browning's original design for the Hi-Power was straight blowback I think.

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Old 02-10-2013, 02:23   #166
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Like I said, no major military force.
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Like I said, no major military force.
Yea, it's not like Israel has been involved in any heavy engagements in the last 30 years or anything.

And why is the Glock's prevalence or absence in major conflicts in any way shape or form an issue?

I can tell you right now Id rather have a Glock 17 than a Beretta 92 if I was in a conflict.



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Yea, it's not like Israel has been involved in any heavy engagements in the last 30 years or anything.
Yeah, when the last time Israel fought a real war, what handguns were they using?
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Yeah, when the last time Israel fought a real war, what handguns were they using?


Uncle Sam thinks otherwise. So do I. The M9 and its civilian equivalence had been through some serious craps. Can't say the same about the Glock.
Israel has been fighting a war since the 1940s.

That's because Uncle Sam probably used some old school military hard-asses who refused to even consider a "plastic" gun when they were replacing the 1911 in the 1980s.

Why would I choose a gun that has almost 2x the individual parts, is heavier, and holds (standard) less ammo? Furthermore, how many times does the average soldier even pull their sidearm in modern conflict? I'd venture to say never.

BTW, I have the 92, don't get me wrong it's a good gun, but there is no real advantage over it compared to a Glock, especially in a conflict zone like the Middle East where sand can more easily foul the open action of the Beretta when compared to the Glock (it's happened enough to warrant an investigation by the Army).

And like you said, the Brits have adopted it, replacing their decades old Hi-Powers..






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Israel has been fighting a war since the 1940s.
The last time Israel fought in a major conflict was when? They got pissant border incursions now and then but when was the last time they fought against a standing military? Could it be the Yom Kippur War?

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That's because Uncle Sam probably used some old school military hard-asses who refused to even consider a "plastic" gun when they were replacing the 1911 in the 1980s.
Plastic has nothing to do with it. The Beretta's grip panels are made out of plastic. As were the grip panels on the SIG Sauer P226 and HK P7, and Ruger P85, and SW pistols for the XM9 trials (first and second trials).

Uncle Sam specified a hammer fired system for positive ignition, which the Glock didn't and still doesn't have. BTW, how many times have Glock had to revise their striker firing system already? Not too Glock Perfection, eh?

Do you even remember why Glock had to revise their copper color firing mechanism to the black one in the early 1990s? Here's a hint: the spring couldn't handle the striker stay cocked for too long.

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Why would I choose a gun that has almost 2x the individual parts, is heavier, and holds (standard) less ammo? Furthermore, how many times does the average soldier even pull their sidearm in modern conflict? I'd venture to say never.
Reliability. After all, it only passed the US Army XM9 trial twice while defeating all newcomers.

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BTW, I have the 92, don't get me wrong it's a good gun, but there is no real advantage over it compared to a Glock, especially in a conflict zone like the Middle East where sand can more easily foul the open action of the Beretta when compared to the Glock (it's happened enough to warrant an investigation by the Army).
The same sand that supposedly jammed up the M1911A1 too? The same M1911A1 that accompanied GIs through Northern Africa and the Middle-East in WWII?

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Yeah, barely. If it were so good then how come the Brits didn't adopt it way, way back? It's not like the British Army didn't know about the existence of the Glock pistol...it's only been around 30-years.
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:07   #171
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Yes. Glock intoduced a new thought process to the mainstream and made it work out of the box....unlike many 1911's.
No, Glock did not introduce "a new thought process". Everything in a Glock is based on preexisting designs.
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I have served, in a war, in a mixed group that included people from the French army - commandos, Chasseurs Alpins, etc., Romanian reconnaissance (their special forces) and in the combat zone regularly encountered Georgians (at the camp across the street) and occasonally troops from Denmark and Sweden.

Never saw a single Glock among them. I specifically talked pistols with one of the Romanian NCO's who showed me his CZ 9mm. The only Glocks I saw in Afghanistan were on contractors and U.S. law enforcement.
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Like I said, no major military force.
Luxembourg is not a major military force??
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Puh-leeze. Glock is a one trick pony.
So is apple for the most part. Their successful items are based off the ipod and how it integrated with itunes

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