GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.

 
  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-16-2013, 18:06   #1
Nestor
Lean & Mean
 
Nestor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: From Canada with love!
Posts: 21,106


Making yourself invisible...

...we were told that we'll need to change our off-duty lifestyle quite dramatically. Make ourselves invisible on our days off, as some of the BGs (usually these are the gang members) are are very interested in all the details of our lives and especially our families. I'm living in different town - about 25 miles away from the city I'll be working in. For now I'm thinking about changing the car for more popular model in some grayish color, as the one I have currently is pretty unusual. I talked with my family already - and told them not to bring my Sheriff stuff to anyone's attention. I also told them to be prepared to see me disappearing immediately if I'll ever recognize any familiar face in the shopping mall, restaurant or cinema as I don't want my family to be recognized and connected with myself in any way.
Any tips from the more experienced members here?
How are You dealing with this stuff?
Thanks in advance for any tips.
__________________
One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure its worth watching.

R.I.P Jeff (23Skidoo), Chad (CJLandry) & Mark (Okie) You all will be missed.

Last edited by Nestor; 02-16-2013 at 18:07..
Nestor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 18:23   #2
sheriff733
NRA LIFE MEMBER
 
sheriff733's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 3,273
I'm sure I'm misreading your post, but...

Do what, now?

What is the background I'm missing here?
__________________
Sent with Probably Cause and Irrisputable Proof

"This isn't domestic abuse. This is hilarious!" -Peter Griffin
sheriff733 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 18:24   #3
collim1
Shower Time!
 
collim1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 10,446
I live in the city I work in. Not much I can do about it but keep my eyes open and my gun on my hip.

Guess I'm double screwed cause I have a take home car parked out front. I keep my gun on during the day and keep a shotgun in the bedroom while I sleep.
collim1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 18:31   #4
Nestor
Lean & Mean
 
Nestor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: From Canada with love!
Posts: 21,106


Quote:
Originally Posted by sheriff733 View Post
I'm sure I'm misreading your post, but...

Do what, now?

What is the background I'm missing here?
Just looking for the ideas that some of the people may implemented already.
I'm in the Sheriff's college now and we were told to start thinking about preparing some serious changes to our life styles.
Just want to keep my family safe, as I'll be probably dealing more often with the criminals than with general public...well at least for the first two, three years.
__________________
One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure its worth watching.

R.I.P Jeff (23Skidoo), Chad (CJLandry) & Mark (Okie) You all will be missed.
Nestor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 18:35   #5
nursetim
Senior Member
 
nursetim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: liberalville N. M.
Posts: 7,799
He's try to be grey, blending in, off duty to avoid local villains from recognizing him and skylining his family and putting them at risk.


Btw, if you get the chance, work the jail for a year or two. You get to know the local villains and establish your reputation early on. You know how to deal with regular citizens, now you need to deal with villains. Jail duty will help.
__________________
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium. - I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery.
Starting a forum for medical people, I'd like to call it doc talk. We need 50 folks to give it the :thumbsup: .
9 and counting.

Last edited by nursetim; 02-16-2013 at 18:39..
nursetim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 18:41   #6
Gills63
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 184
You will never avoid it all together. Just keep a low profile and stop loose lips. Try to show everybody respect and it will help with the run of the mill turds. It is possible to get the BG and still get their respect, sometimes. Regardless after awhile you will look at people and think they look familiar. The pain is trying to remember why they look familiar.

Outdoor Hub mobile, the outdoor information engine
Gills63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 18:43   #7
Nestor
Lean & Mean
 
Nestor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: From Canada with love!
Posts: 21,106


Looks like we will be assigned to the jail, prisoner transport or maybe courthouse security for the first few years before having a chance to jump on some more, serious duties. Either way, the criminals are our starting point.
__________________
One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure its worth watching.

R.I.P Jeff (23Skidoo), Chad (CJLandry) & Mark (Okie) You all will be missed.
Nestor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 18:44   #8
Nestor
Lean & Mean
 
Nestor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: From Canada with love!
Posts: 21,106


Quote:
Originally Posted by Gills63 View Post
You will never avoid it all together. Just keep a low profile and stop loose lips. Try to show everybody respect and it will help with the run of the mill turds. It is possible to get the BG and still get their respect, sometimes. Regardless after awhile you will look at people and think they look familiar. The pain is trying to remember why they look familiar.

Outdoor Hub mobile, the outdoor information engine
Thank You, yes I'm trying to be quiet about my new career.
__________________
One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure its worth watching.

R.I.P Jeff (23Skidoo), Chad (CJLandry) & Mark (Okie) You all will be missed.
Nestor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 19:02   #9
fastbolt
Senior Member
 
fastbolt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Within the lightning (Northern CA)
Posts: 9,907
Well, it's always something to keep in mind, especially if you're out and about with your family.

I used to live more than 30 miles from where I worked (in a different county, as well).

Criminals travel and commute, too, though.

The first couple of times I heard my title & named called out by voices many yards away, when I was out & about in public, it startled and surprised me.

Then there was having someone approach me while I was at a "water park" recreation venue with my children ... but he wasn't a problem and didn't mean to be one. Still managed to elevate my heart rate for a bit, though.

Then, as my career progressed I'd accumulated my fair share of death threats from seriously dangerous guys with felony/state histories, at least one of which was specifically directed toward my wife and daughter (by a felon who had been arrested for crimes against a mother & daughter, incidentally). One of those threats was brought to my attention when it was passed along to my agency's admin by another agency during the course of a fed trial.

The couple of rounds that shattered the rear passenger window of my POV, while I was on the way home one night, were most likely completely unrelated, as the timing was off and I later found out I wasn't the only victim of that reported freeway sniper incident (but I'm still glad I was alone in my POV that night).

Bottom line? Cops tend to park where their vehicles can be seen (even if protected by a fenced enclosure), and you have to exit the lot to enter the roadway in order to drive home, so it's not like what we drive is that hard to determine.

It's amazing what can be found on the internet, anyway, especially if you're a home owner.

Don't go out of your way to create enemies. You'll develop enough potential folks who may fall into that category just doing your job, that you don't need to go making an "overt" effort to antagonize people.

Keep your awareness keyed at a practical level. It is better to see before being seen, but don't make yourself paranoid and all weirded out trying to SEE ALL. Not humanly possible.

Keep yourself grounded and everything in perspective.
__________________
Sub Club #9; .40 S&W Club #1953; S&W Club #3913
Retired LE - firearms instructor/armorer

Last edited by fastbolt; 02-16-2013 at 19:03..
fastbolt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 19:04   #10
blueiron
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 13,602
Since few people need to know the particulars, a PM is inbound.
blueiron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 19:12   #11
Kingarthurhk
Isaiah 53:4-9
 
Kingarthurhk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Texas
Posts: 7,575
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestor View Post
...we were told that we'll need to change our off-duty lifestyle quite dramatically. Make ourselves invisible on our days off, as some of the BGs (usually these are the gang members) are are very interested in all the details of our lives and especially our families. I'm living in different town - about 25 miles away from the city I'll be working in. For now I'm thinking about changing the car for more popular model in some grayish color, as the one I have currently is pretty unusual. I talked with my family already - and told them not to bring my Sheriff stuff to anyone's attention. I also told them to be prepared to see me disappearing immediately if I'll ever recognize any familiar face in the shopping mall, restaurant or cinema as I don't want my family to be recognized and connected with myself in any way.
Any tips from the more experienced members here?
How are You dealing with this stuff?
Thanks in advance for any tips.
I say blend into the local society. For instance, major cities tend to have a "metro" theme still going. In rural "redneck" places "camo is cool". Check out your department/agencies groom standards. If it is lax do the unexpected. The simple "goatee" is a standard in the plain clothes world, so do something else if you can.

When your shift is done, ocassionally take a different route home. Don't be predictable. A lot of places in the United States, I am uncertain about Canada (since your profile says you are from there), but a lot of places will let you go down to the County tax accessors place and make your information anonymous.

Whether a lot of people know this or not, but the people who own such and such an adress at the County tax accessors office is public information. A form and presentation of valid credentials can scrub you from someone being able to verify what adress is yours.

If you are allowed, don't proudly put your name on your mail box. A simple number will suffice.

Even though a lot of us are proud of what we do. The thin blue line sticker on your vehicle is also a dead give away, along with union stickers, or FOP stickers. There is even a black and blue "Lion" for LEO that is out there. It is cool, and lets the other "good guys" know who you are, but the "bad guys" have already figured out that code.

Just some of my suggestions. Hope that helps.
__________________
Glock 17, 19, 20SF, 21C, 22, 26, 27, Glock E-Tool, Glock knife
Quod ego haereticus appellari sequere Jesum.
Kingarthurhk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 19:20   #12
Ay Dios Mio
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Sheep ranch in Washington State
Posts: 192
I've wondered about our county Sheriff, here. I've never met him, but I was in the next county over and had an interaction with a deputy and noticed his name tag was the same last name as our Sheriff and remarked on it.

He said he was thinking about running for Sheriff and that our Sheriff was his twin brother. Yikes!

He was such a nice guy I wondered how either one of them could know what criminals the other had encountered while out in their respective worlds while off duty wearing each other's face.

I wish you well Nestor.
Ay Dios Mio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 19:21   #13
Nestor
Lean & Mean
 
Nestor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: From Canada with love!
Posts: 21,106


Thank You very much.
Lot of good ideas already.
Much appreciated.
Yeah...I don't want to become paranoid and I'm pretty good and respectful among all the people - worked with the homeless people in Vancouver and never experienced even a single problem while dealing with them - simply because I was always respectful.
Some other guys from my company were always in troubles with them.
Very good point.
I need to reduce the Internet prints as well.
This is something I need to focus on soon.
Thanks again.
__________________
One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure its worth watching.

R.I.P Jeff (23Skidoo), Chad (CJLandry) & Mark (Okie) You all will be missed.

Last edited by Nestor; 02-16-2013 at 19:29..
Nestor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 20:11   #14
VPD4327
Senior Member
 
VPD4327's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: East Coast
Posts: 189
Pull your name off of spokeo.com. It'll show where you live, list your family members, and so forth. They will only take your name down if you email them.
VPD4327 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 20:15   #15
VPD4327
Senior Member
 
VPD4327's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: East Coast
Posts: 189
Oh, and don't wear stuff like thin blue line / tools of the trade type shirts...you just draw attention to yourself. Tint your car windows, switch up your route home from work every once in awhile, and keep an eye in the rear view.
VPD4327 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 21:11   #16
CJStudent
Fenced In
 
CJStudent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: KY
Posts: 17,822
Send a message via AIM to CJStudent Send a message via Yahoo to CJStudent
Quote:
Originally Posted by VPD4327 View Post
Pull your name off of spokeo.com. It'll show where you live, list your family members, and so forth. They will only take your name down if you email them.
Got the email address?
__________________
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it comes dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas Edison

Quote:
The first round is a moral decision. All of the following rounds are tactical decisions.
CJStudent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 21:42   #17
DaBigBR
No Infidels!
 
DaBigBR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Circling the wagons.
Posts: 15,924
Don't change too much voluntarily, the job changes you enough as it is. If you like your ride, keep it. Buy a little sipper commuter car or change at work or something. Use common sense when off duty and you'll be fine.
__________________
"Logic is rarely the engine that propels a police department forward."

-David Simon in "Homicide"
DaBigBR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 22:04   #18
Sam Spade
Lifetime Membership
Senior Member
 
Sam Spade's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 21,270
Brief the kids if you have them. "Daddy, why don't you arrest that bad man" is not what you need to hear in a off-duty robbery. Code word for the missus that tells her to clear out with the kids and put some distance between you.

The other ideas you've read are all good ones.
__________________
"To spit on your hands and lower the pike; to stand fast over the body of Leonidas the King; to be rear guard at Kunu-Ri; to stand and be still to the Birkenhead Drill; these are not rational acts. They are often merely necessary." Pournelle
Sam Spade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 22:11   #19
PinkoCommie
Unusual Member
 
PinkoCommie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
Posts: 2,927


Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestor View Post
I don't want to become paranoid...
Or do you? When people (whether on contacts or friends outside of work) ask, I always say that I am paranoid by profession. I get paid to be ready for stuff others never even think about.
__________________
--PinkoCommie
_________________________________________
Maybe I'm crazy. --DaBigBR
This wasn't me... --DaBigBR
I was hauling a large quotient of ass. --Cochese
PinkoCommie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 23:15   #20
CAcop
Senior Member
 
CAcop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: California
Posts: 22,032
My big thing has been to buy my clothes at chain stores. Nothing remortly police related. Even if I say buy cargo pants they will never be in green, black, or navy blue since they are traditional police colors. I will never wear 5.11 clothing off duty even if in some oddball color.

My car is pretty unique but if someone did follow me I would probably notice since my commute is a pretty hard to follow. They could drive around the neighborhoods to find it but realistically they could find me easier online or just wait from me as I enter the PD.

I do not tell people where I work unless there is a need to know. I have a cover story for those who I am not likely to see again or have a very limited relationship with, such as barbers. The cover story I have is pretty boring and it fits my income level. They can buy the fake career based on how I dress and the car I drive. The one time someone asked me about what my job entailed I just started talking about the things my friend who actually does the job has told me about.

I would prefer to have my LE periodicals go to work but they frown on that. They don't want 50+ copies of Police Magazine showing up every month. Multiply that time 3-4 and that would be the volume of what they would get every month.
__________________
I wonder if your assessment of "The Wizard of Oz" would sound something like "A teenaged orphan runs away with three psychotic AD/HD patients and a little dog. She kills the first two women she meets." --Sinecure 07/03/2006
Freakin' awsome!! Kickin it old school. Hot sheet on the dash. The report was probably only two sentences. Long live Rencko and Bobbie Hill!--WhiskeyT
CAcop is online now   Reply With Quote

 
  
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 15:11.




Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 985
313 Members
672 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,672
Aug 11, 2014 at 2:31