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Old 02-18-2013, 00:36   #26
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GunNUT you just don't get it. I as a LEO agree 100% w you that Cuomo is an idiot and is not following the constitution as it should be followed.
However, a reg NYS Citizen CAN buy from OA but as a LEO I can't. By OAs standards. That's wrong plain and simple. You want everyone on same level but in reality you don't.
If it stays as a valid law which I don't believe it will its going to come down to discretion on the side of the officer. Lets hope they use their heads and make the right call.
I can give you some advice tho. If ever in a situation where you might be detained or questioned dont start ranting and raving like you do in your posts using capital letters and exclamation marks. That's a sure fire tried and true way of getting a new set of bracelets.


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Nice! Assert that we're all equals and then remind him of your handcuffs as an option for you if he doesn't like your tone. Is that also an option for him if he doesn't like your tone? No. You don't see citizens as equals at all. Most of us feel the same about you guys.
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Old 02-18-2013, 01:22   #27
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The only way this can work, is to get all the gun companies on board. Fat chance. I'd like to see it though.
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:43   #28
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Who would bother with a Glock or other polymer framed handgun designed for 13-19 round flush fit mag capacity if those magazines were banned? I wouldn't even bother with my 23 and it's only 3 rounds over the 10 min. Nothing will make me a 1911 man faster than taking away my capacity advantage. I would think that Glock would have the biggest interest in keeping these laws from going into effect and would want to cut off every state that tries to pull this stunt.
Magazines over 10-rounds are not the only reason to buy a Glock. Not even in the top three.

- Glocks are anvil reliable - they go "bang" each and every time you pull the trigger with boring regularity.

- They are relatively lightweight and compact.

- They are relatively cheap (ever priced a decent 1911?).

And that's just off the tip of my head, AND from a 1911 guy (I own Glocks AND 1911's).
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:23   #29
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Obviusly you missed the fact they change the law not to apply to LEO's! They are exempt!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...on-for-police/

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...ork&id=8958116
Obviously you didn't read, or can't comprehend the words of those articles:

"Additions to be made..."
"New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's office is working on amendments ..."

As far as I know, they have not done so yet.
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:56   #30
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And do you really thing they are going to prosecute cops that break the law in the mean time? I've seen pics of the NYC cops still cariing 30 round mags in the AR's! So why haven't they been arrested?
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Old 02-18-2013, 14:53   #31
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Armalite stated today that they will continue to sell to individual officers in ban States.
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GunNUT you just don't get it. I as a LEO agree 100% w you that Cuomo is an idiot and is not following the constitution as it should be followed.
However, a reg NYS Citizen CAN buy from OA but as a LEO I can't. By OAs standards. That's wrong plain and simple. You want everyone on same level but in reality you don't.
If it stays as a valid law which I don't believe it will its going to come down to discretion on the side of the officer. Lets hope they use their heads and make the right call.
I can give you some advice tho. If ever in a situation where you might be detained or questioned dont start ranting and raving like you do in your posts using capital letters and exclamation marks. That's a sure fire tried and true way of getting a new set of bracelets.


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So long as we can count on you and your brothers in blue to band together and refuse to enforce NY gun laws, I say let you buy.

If not, too bad. You deserve it. Especially with that arrogant attitude displayed in the bracelets comment.


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Old 02-18-2013, 21:04   #34
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The bracelet comment?? Word of friendly advice don't argue politics w a guy doing his job that more than likely agrees with you. It's a sure fire way to have a bad night.
My approach has always been to make contact with a driver or person of interest and discuss the situation or reason for the stop etc. when met with an intelligent person who admits to their wrong doing or honestly doesn't have a clue I'd say '99% of the time it ends with a short cordial conversation and everyone is on their way. When the person decides to show their hatred or disdain for LE it goes a much different way. Remember cops are people too and are just doing their jobs. Of course there are power hungry idiots that are in a trip but for the most part their decent guys trying to make it home safely to their families. They don't make the laws and don't want to argue them with you so save it for your legislators and Govt officials.
Called it arrogance all you want but when I'm doing a job and someone wants to argue a point I have no control over one of two things is going to happen. They're going to leave on their own and argue w someone else or continue arguing with me as they get a free ride to our facility. LEO ARE NOT in favor of these new laws so don't take it out on them.


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The bracelet comment?? Word of friendly advice don't argue politics w a guy doing his job that more than likely agrees with you. It's a sure fire way to have a bad night.
There you go again. Veiled threat.

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My approach has always been to make contact with a driver or person of interest and discuss the situation or reason for the stop etc. when met with an intelligent person who admits to their wrong doing or honestly doesn't have a clue I'd say '99% of the time it ends with a short cordial conversation and everyone is on their way. When the person decides to show their hatred or disdain for LE it goes a much different way. Remember cops are people too and are just doing their jobs. Of course there are power hungry idiots that are in a trip but for the most part their decent guys trying to make it home safely to their families. They don't make the laws and don't want to argue them with you so save it for your legislators and Govt officials.
Called it arrogance all you want but when I'm doing a job and someone wants to argue a point I have no control over one of two things is going to happen. They're going to leave on their own and argue w someone else or continue arguing with me as they get a free ride to our facility. LEO ARE NOT in favor of these new laws so don't take it out on them.

But you'll enforce them won't you?

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Old 02-23-2013, 08:31   #36
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Update: CCMG is following suit, the total count of companies is upto 36.

Not surprisingly the Glock Store refused to participate.

ETA: A website so you can follow who is and is not participating.
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I count 37 COTUS supporting companies on that list.

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And do you really thing they are going to prosecute cops that break the law in the mean time? I've seen pics of the NYC cops still cariing 30 round mags in the AR's! So why haven't they been arrested?
The magazine restrictions are effective on April 15, 2013. http://www.nssf.org/share/PDF/NSSF-N...2013-01-24.pdf
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The magazine restrictions are effective on April 15, 2013. http://www.nssf.org/share/PDF/NSSF-N...2013-01-24.pdf
And a legislative exemption will be completed prior to then exempting active (on and off the job) and retired law enforcement officers.

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You have got me dreaming about this phrase at night now! Thanks alot!!



I dug out the Animal Farm to reread. Makes me anxious!!
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I dug out the Animal Farm to reread. Makes me anxious!!
It shows the inevitable. Revolution throws out the rulers. It doesn't take long before new rulers take hold, and start treating the people unfairly.
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Here are the companies as of 02/24/2013 in order of sign-on date:

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AmmoClip.................................www.ammoclip.com
Extreme Firepower Inc, LLC.......www.extremefirepower.com
Cheaper Than Dirt....................www.cheaperthandirt.com
MidwayUSA..............................www.midwayusa.com
Barrett.....................................www.barrett.net
Dead Bang Guns.......................www.deadbangguns.com
Tier One Arms..........................www.tieronearms.com
Old Grouch's Military Surplus.....www.oldgrouch.com
Predator Intelligence.................www.predatorarmament.com
LaRue Tactical..........................www.laruetactical.com
Southwest Shooting Authority...www.southwestshootingauthority.com
Olympic Arms...........................www.olyarms.com
Templar Custom........................www.templarcustom.com
York Arms................................www.yorkarms.com
Southern Appalachian Arms.......www.southernapparms.com
Bullwater Enterprises LLC..........www.aandtfirearms.com
West Fork Armory.....................www.westforkarmory.com
Iron Goat Guns.........................www.irongoatguns.com
Trident Armory.........................www.tridentarmory.net
Smith Enterprise, Inc................www.smithenterprise.com
Alex Arms................................www.alexarms.com
OFA Tactical.............................www.ochsnergroup.com
Spike's Tactical.........................www.spikestactical.com
Quality Arms Idaho...................www.qualityarmsidaho.com
Liberty Suppressors...................www.libertycans.net
J&T Family of Companies...........www.star15.com
American Spirit Arms................www.americanspiritarms.com
Primary Weapons Systems.........www.primaryweapons.com
Tactical Solutions......................www.tacticalsol.com
Head Down Products, LLC...........www.headdownproducts.com
Exile Machine............................www.exilemachine.net
J&G Sales, Ltd...........................www.jgsales.com
Bravo Company USA..................www.bravocompanyusa.com
ACE LTD....................................www.riflestocks.com
Kiss Tactical..............................www.kisstactical.com
NEMO Arms, Inc........................www.nemoarms.com
Top Gun Supply.........................www.topgunsupply.com
Red Jacket Firearms...................www.redjacketfirearms.com
Rock River Arms ........................www.rockriverarms.com
Crusader Weaponry....................www.crusaderweaponry.com
Badger Peak..............................www.badgerpeak.com
Controlled Chaos Arms...............www.controlledchaosarms.com
Big Horn Armory........................www.bighornarmory.com
One Source Tactical....................www.onesourcetactical.com
CMMG........................................www.cmmginc.com
SRT Arms...................................www.srtarms.com
Norton Firearms.........................www.nortonfirearms.com
Umlaut Industries LLC.................www.umlautarms.com
Warbirds Custom Guns................www.warbirdscustomguns.com
JABTAC......................................www.jabtac.com
Stoner Arms...............................www.stonerarms.com
3 Rivers Precision LLC.................www.3riversprecision.com
2A Firearms................................www.2afirearmsdealer.com
Lanco Tactical LLC.......................www.lancotactical.com
Thunder Beast Arms Corp............www.thunderbeastarms.com
2A Armament.............................www.2a-arms.com
Rocky Top Tactical......................www.rockytoptactical.com
Predator Tactical.........................www.predatortactical.com
Rhino Arms LLC..........................www.rhinoarmsllc.com
Delmarva Shooting Supply...........www.delmarvashootingsupply.com
OJ's Gun Shop............................www.facebook.com/ojgunshop
OCS Guns..................................www.ocsguns.com
Progressive Micro Devices............www.progressivemicro.com
Citizen Arms...............................www.citizenarms.com
Csspecs Magazines......................www.csspecs.com
MFI............................................www.mfiap.com
Gwacs Armory LLC......................www.gwacsarmory.com
Huntertown Arms.......................www.huntertownarms.com
Daniel Byer FFL..........................www.facebook.com
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Also, this was interesting: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/gu...700-in-1-week/
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It's not enough to just buy from supporting companies, you have to let the vendors that lost your business why they lost your business.
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Back in 1990, when I was deployed in Desert Shield and Desert Storm as a Marine grunt, some companies prioritized me items for my M16 for shipping that I purchased with my own funds. After getting out and forming Magpul in 1999, I established the same priority policy for Military and Law Enforcement, due to the requirements of their profession.

The same policy has been in place for 13 years now and has never been an issue until a few days ago. I do not support the idea that individual police officers should be punished for the actions of their elected officials. That said, I understand the concerns that some have with Law Enforcement officers getting special treatment while at the same time denouncing second amendment rights to another citizen in the same state.

With the fight in Colorado right now we do not have time to implement a new program, so I have suspended all LE sales to ban states until we can implement a system wherein any Law Enforcement Officer buying for duty use will have to promise to uphold their oath to the US Constitution - specifically the second and fourteenth amendments - as it applies to all citizens.

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With the fight in Colorado right now we do not have time to implement a new program, so I have suspended all LE sales to ban states until we can implement a system wherein any Law Enforcement Officer buying for duty use will have to promise to uphold their oath to the US Constitution - specifically the second and fourteenth amendments - as it applies to all citizens.
Interesting. So many 'LEO' and military guys have been overtly hostile to the idea of reaffirming an oath both here and on that black rifle board. I wonder how this will play out.
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Richard Fitzpatrick's stand took courage and is a tribute to his honorable ancestors.

I salute him, wish him every possible advantage and may the pookahs leave him alone!
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