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Old 02-23-2013, 22:37   #26
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Does it really matter what timed drills show on a firing line under nearly perfect condtions? What is the time difference (empty vs loaded chamber) when a person suddenly finds themselves in a life or death physical struggle? Consider the difficulty involved in chambering a round while rolling around on the pavement with a 200pound maniac intent on grievously harming them? People who think that violence only happens in the way they imagine or that jedi like situational awareness cant fail them, are fooling themselves.
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Old 02-24-2013, 14:45   #27
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Too many people assume that both hands will be free to draw and manipulate the sidearm. An injury to the other arm is a real possibility. Well, for me, I carry my G17 with the chamber LOADED. I practice drawing and shooting one-handed often.
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Old 02-24-2013, 16:38   #28
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Too many people assume that both hands will be free to draw and manipulate the sidearm. An injury to the other arm is a real possibility. Well, for me, I carry my G17 with the chamber LOADED. I practice drawing and shooting one-handed often.
I agree... and even if they manage to rack the slide one handed by using a pocket, belt, shoe or fencepost. How many attempts will it take and how long will it take while a attacker is injuring them.
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Old 02-24-2013, 17:20   #29
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Carry it with one in the pipe or your a tard.

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Carry it with one in the pipe or your a tard.

HaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!
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Old 02-24-2013, 18:47   #31
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Carrying a handgun with an empty chamber is like wearing a rubber with a hole in it.
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:35   #32
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I just love these threads about the superiority of a certain carry condition, by those who have only been trained in one method of carry.
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I just love these threads about the superiority of a certain carry condition, by those who have only been trained in one method of carry.
I have been trained by teachers of both methods. The teachers of empty chamber said that they taught EC for liability reasons.
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Old 02-26-2013, 18:21   #34
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I always go with the method that does not ask me to remember extra steps. All I have to remember is to aim/point and pull the trigger. Repeat as needed..
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:51   #35
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I have been trained by teachers of both methods. The teachers of empty chamber said that they taught EC for liability reasons.
There is much truth in this statement. Apart from competition or personal preference, there are other reasons to teach C3 carry that many here may not encounter. As a training manager, I am also one of the few in our area that is certified to teach Armed Security guards in our region. There are Security companies that MANDATE that their guards carry pistols in C3. So guess what, I have to teach them how to be effective while carrying in C3. While many here may not like the idea, C3 carry is more common than most can imagine.
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There is much truth in this statement. Apart from competition or personal preference, there are other reasons to teach C3 carry that many here may not encounter. As a training manager, I am also one of the few in our area that is certified to teach Armed Security guards in our region. There are Security companies that MANDATE that their guards carry pistols in C3. So guess what, I have to teach them how to be effective while carrying in C3. While many here may not like the idea, C3 carry is more common than most can imagine.
I carried for four years C3. Not anymore. Since 1995- C1
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Old 02-28-2013, 13:47   #37
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I just love these threads about the superiority of a certain carry condition, by those who have only been trained in one method of carry.
Well they have been trained in C1 because that is the logical choice.
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While they have been trained in C1 because that is the logical choice.
True, so true.
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There is much truth in this statement. Apart from competition or personal preference, there are other reasons to teach C3 carry that many here may not encounter. As a training manager, I am also one of the few in our area that is certified to teach Armed Security guards in our region. There are Security companies that MANDATE that their guards carry pistols in C3. So guess what, I have to teach them how to be effective while carrying in C3. While many here may not like the idea, C3 carry is more common than most can imagine.
Well then it is not because the carrier WANTED to carry C3, but because they are TOLD to pack it chamber empty (as most of the U.S. Military is.) This is an administrative judgement only. They perceive the guards as scarecrows to ward off would-be robbers and are not interested in what would happen in a surprise robbery.

John Farnam as railed against the military's C3 policy for years and many of his students, who are in Afghanistan, say at the front they ignore the order and just carry their M9s under their BDUs, fully loaded.

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Well then it is not because the carrier WANTED to carry C3, but because they are TOLD to pack it chamber empty (as most of the U.S. Military is.) This is an administrative judgement only. They perceive the guards as scarecrows to ward off would-be robbers and are not interested in what would happen in a surprise robbery.

John Farnam as railed against the military's C3 policy for years and many of his students, who are in Afghanistan, say at the front they ignore the order and just carry their M9s under their BDUs, fully loaded.

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Deaf, it makes perfect sense that our combat soldiers would carry C1 with their M9s.
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