[bac1023]

Originally Posted by nathanours

Heck forget about pistols for a minute, I'd like too see Gaston come up with something nicer than this beauty:

Very nice

[jakebrake]

Originally Posted by nathanours

Heck forget about pistols for a minute, I'd like too see Gaston come up with something nicer than this beauty:

so would gaston

[moeman]

Gaston to Browning?!!!!!

Like Marilyn Manson to Marilyn Monroe

Like a Hostess fruit pie to a homemade blue ribbon pie.

Come one, what's next? Kissing an ugly girls versus kate Upton?!!!!

[dudel]

While I like my Glocks, Gaston needs to come with innovations 3 through 3000 to be mentioned in the same breath as JMB. I'll give him the Glock and the GAP.

Oh, and to the original question, NO.

[Tazz10m]

Pretty funny question when one considers how many of Browning's inventions/innovations are inherently designed and built into each Glock. The thing that Gaston did that is so cool is his combination mix and match of others inventions into one really well designed gun.

[bac1023]

Wow, I thought this thread finally died...

[ilgunguygt]

Originally Posted by bac1023

Wow, I thought this thread finally died...

This thread is the undead. It needs a black woman to come up and stick a sword through its brain.

[Boats]

Originally Posted by bac1023

Wow, I thought this thread finally died...

So says a guy who is keeping it running. . . .

I am glad it is still here because I have had a reconsideration.

Glock is a firearms genius in his own right. How else can you explain him selling every copy of a firearm—many of which will consistently chuck hot brass into the customer's face all day long?

That takes seriously world class marketing chops. Some would say it was a form of genius.

[ilgunguygt]

Originally Posted by Boats

So says a guy who is keeping it running. . . .

I am glad it is still here because I have had a reconsideration.

Glock is a firearms genius in his own right. How else can you explain him selling every copy of a firearm—many of which will consistently chuck hot brass into the customer's face all day long?

That takes seriously world class marketing chops. Some would say it was a form of genius.

Are you basically saying that "it takes a genius to sell people cold turds on a plate and tell them its warm filet mignon?" I could agree with that. Though I dont think glocks are really that bad, I like the one I own.

In the world of firearms design though, Gaston couldnt sharpen JMBs pencil(and that is not a coy sexual inuendo).

[SCmasterblaster]

No comparison. Browning designed and developed across the entire spectrum. GG only designed basically one pistol.

[Pier23]

The genius of the era was Hiram Maxim who came up with the IDEA of a gas-operated mechanism to begin with, supplanting the manually-operated Gatling.

If not for Maxim, we may be manipulating our Glocks and 1911s with cranks.

[Batesmotel]

Originally Posted by Pier23

If not for Maxim, we may be manipulating our Glocks and 1911s with cranks.

Browning (and others) developed gas operated guns independent of Maxim. Browning hadn't even seen a gas operated gun before delivering his Potato Digger to the Army for testing. Maxim did it first but it was an idea whose time had come.

[Boats]

Originally Posted by Pier23

The genius of the era was Hiram Maxim who came up with the IDEA of a gas-operated mechanism to begin with, supplanting the manually-operated Gatling.

If not for Maxim, we may be manipulating our Glocks and 1911s with cranks.

Since the 1911 is short recoil operated, and not gas operated, I don't see how Maxim figures in at all.

[Seven High]

Where should Eugene Stoner be in the list of firearm geniuses? Definitely not in the area of John Browning but close to Bill Ruger.

[raven11]

Originally Posted by Seven High

Where should Eugene Stoner be in the list of firearm geniuses? Definitely not in the area of John Browning but close to Bill Ruger.

since you don't hear complaints about limp wristing a AR and my AR has never thrown brass in my face I think he goes above Gaston Glock

[countrygun]

Originally Posted by raven11

since you don't hear complaints about limp wristing a AR and my AR has never thrown brass in my face I think he goes above Gaston Glock

And he had more than one weapons design in production at the same time.

[Tazz10m]

To design a semi-auto/full auto gun from scratch it pretty much takes a genius. Browning designed several...pistols as well as rifles and machine guns. Gaston Glock; none. Gene Stoner; at least 1 rifle. Bill Ruger; zero. Both Bill and Gaston are very smart, but, so far, i've not seen "genius". All of them but Bill; Super smart with huge balls. Why? Because of their huge level and accomplishment of innovation bringing such radical designs to market successfully. I own a few Rugers and appreciate them, but, Ruger made some HUGE mistakes not standing up for the 2nd Amendment and the American public when he/they had the chance. Also, not making their Mini-14 take AR-15 mags is STUPID!!! And all the years they went not making a serious competitor to the AR and AK... STUPID!!!

[Tazz10m]

...and not making a serious "Ruger M-14 .308" STUPID!!!

[Tazz10m]

Also, Stoner; His AR's for the longest time had all sorts of problems and short-comings... which he eventually fixed some of, and others fixed the rest of. I think Stoner's biggest contribution was his excellent ergonomics and lightening up of the weapon.

[mgs]

Not even a close second. Nobody comes close to Browning.

[RBid]

Browning was clearly a genius without equal, in the firearms world. Kalashnikov, Stoner, Ruger, and Glock designs are in use all over the world, but Browning's innovations and influence will be felt until firearms give way to lasers or whatever comes next.

Of course, much of that innovation and influence will be felt by those of us who choose to carry Glocks every day.

[Pier23]

Originally Posted by Boats

Since the 1911 is short recoil operated, and not gas operated, I don't see how Maxim figures in at all.

For his shortcomings, and he had many - mainly a massive ego and a freedom with the facts, Maxim did develop the first practical gas operated machine gun which was ready for prime time pretty much from initiation. Roughly contemporanous with Hotchkiss and the Lewis, the Maxim used one barrel fed by many cartridges, which differed from Gatling with his many-barreled approach.

It was the _idea_ that massive firepower could be reduced to the personal level that made Browning's development and acceptance possible. That, and a MASSIVE arms race during that era of the early 20th century.

Both (IMHO) Stoner and Kalishnikov deserve honorable mention here, although at least according to Chivers, the AK is more a tribute to the Soviet military bureaucracy than to independent briliance.

But as for the topic of Browning or Glock, I am not sure what the argument is about. There were cars before the Model T, but Ford made the Model T available to the masses. Ford is remembered for the process, not for the vehicle itself.

It is certainly evidence of brilliance that the Browning pattern is still used by so many weapons - who would NOT want to have a BAR to play with??? But while I am neutral on Glocks - I have them and I enjoy them, but not passionate about them - there is much to be said for the utter simplicity of the design and manufacturing technique, and the truly innovative marketing strategies Glock the company has used.

[MJB]

FWIW I have two Glocks which have been perfect. The 1911 Springfield Mil-spec I "used" to own would give me a stovepipe about 2% of the time.

This is not a condemnation of the 1911 platform, just my experience. Glocks and 1911s are apples and oranges IMHO and of course Browning goes beyond 1911s.

It's great to have choices for whatever "we" want the most and that can include arms from both of these men.

[Seven High]

I'm still waiting for Ruger to release their XGI rifle in 308!

[ilgunguygt]

Originally Posted by T***10m

To design a semi-auto/full auto gun from scratch it pretty much takes a genius. Browning designed several...pistols as well as rifles and machine guns. Gaston Glock; none. Gene Stoner; at least 1 rifle. Bill Ruger; zero. Both Bill and Gaston are very smart, but, so far, i've not seen "genius". All of them but Bill; Super smart with huge balls. Why? Because of their huge level and accomplishment of innovation bringing such radical designs to market successfully. I own a few Rugers and appreciate them, but, Ruger made some HUGE mistakes not standing up for the 2nd Amendment and the American public when he/they had the chance. Also, not making their Mini-14 take AR-15 mags is STUPID!!! And all the years they went not making a serious competitor to the AR and AK... STUPID!!!

Bill Ruger had some fantastic designs. His redesign of the Single Action revolver was industry changing.