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Old 02-04-2013, 16:14   #21
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I'm considering a hunt for black bear in GA next fall. My deer rifle is a sweet Kimber 308 but I'm thinking about re-barreling a Rem 700 long action in either 35 Whelen or 300 Win Mag. Any thoughts


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.308 is fine for Black Bear. I'd spend my money on
other goodies for the hunt unless you're really just
wanting a new gun.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:14   #22
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After spending 3 months in the NC mtns. this past fall black bear hunting I have changed my entire concept of what it takes to kill a black bear. We killed 28 bears rangeing from 150# to 400#s. Every bear was shot with a 30-30 (most shots in upper neck or head) except 2 were shot with 308 & 450. We were of course running the bears with dogs. When you wade into a bear/dog fight 2 things you don't want. 1 is buckshot and the other is to knock the bear down with any gun (460 weatherby - 22 magnum) and not kill him on the spot. A wounded bear hit good from neck back will kill a pile of dogs. Now if you are tree stand hunting over bait or still hunting most guns placing the bullet through the heart or spine MIGHT kill on the spot. It is a toss up. If you don't care for bear meat then break both shoulders with a good deep penetrating slug.
So... are you saying 30-30 is enough or not? I think you mean it is fine for black bear?
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:14   #23
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Ok it's agreed then I can tell my wife I must have the 35 Whelen or I may get eaten by a bear


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LOL! That might be signature material right there!
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Old 02-05-2013, 14:24   #24
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The 308 is just fine, my last bear was taken with a 284 win. Nothing wrong with a new gun though.
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Old 03-09-2013, 07:57   #25
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I read an article of 2nd. largest black bear shot in NC last year (close to 800#s) was first shot twice in skull with '06 and did not penetrate skull.
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Old 03-09-2013, 20:31   #26
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I'm sure under abnormal and coincidental circumstances there can be odd facts that arise, and obviously that shot angle would have still been a compromised shot no matter what cartridge of any reasonable caliber...

A 30-06 with any fair chance head shot will dirt nap an 800 lbs. animal... I'd like to know the actual particulars to that event..
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Old 03-09-2013, 23:30   #27
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I read an article of 2nd. largest black bear shot in NC last year (close to 800#s) was first shot twice in skull with '06 and did not penetrate skull.
With a proper bullet the 30-06 and 308 would be plenty for any black bear. A retired brown bear guide I met prefered the 06 loaded with the 220 grain Core-Lokt. Now days we have 308 loads that can produce over 3000 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy. Jeff Cooper talked about running the Federal High Energy 165 grain Trophy Bonded in his 308 Scout Rifle for big game hunting.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:03   #28
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:41   #29
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Always liked the idea of a .338-06, but it doesn't sound like it would work with your rifle if .300 win mag is a possibility.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:55   #30
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Get a short (19") bbl .243 - or better yet 6mm and you won't have to lug so much weight around. It will kill a bear dead. That's all a .50 cal can do - to the bear.

If you want more guns in a variety of calibers - use the '48 hour rule'. It was invented in MN and works great.

You buy something your wife may not approve of. If you can get it in tothe house and keep it there for 48 hours, you're allowed to say: "That old thing? I've had that forever".

It's not considered cheating or lying. You have told the truth and don't have to feel guilty about the purchase.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:08   #31
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I really have no problem with the idea of hunting just about anything in North America with a .308, but hunting it and killing/stopping it where you want it is an issue in my area. The way we say it is "there's a lot of DOWN out there and too many gravities in some spots". Around here 25 yards can mean 100 feet or more of DOWN and back UP.

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Hey Boo Boo, I need a pickanick baskBlam!

Gee Yogi, I hope Mr Ranger is good at first aid. And facial reconstruction. Yogi? Yogi?
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Old 03-11-2013, 23:50   #34
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:40   #35
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So... are you saying 30-30 is enough or not? I think you mean it is fine for black bear?
We've been hunting Black Bear here and I use a 30-30 and my bud uses a .356. he did one in the eye and it didn't take one step after being hit.
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Old 04-03-2013, 20:50   #36
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.308 is a plenty with the correct bullet choice, I'd use Nosler Partation 165 grain.
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Old 04-04-2013, 22:31   #37
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For a close range shot, take the base of the neck. There will be no tracking required. An elephant round isn't needed either.
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