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Old 03-15-2011, 10:29   #161
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Police arresting elementary students for violation of "Zero Tolerance" policies, like drawing stick figures...

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-arvada...,7099823.story
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/15...est=latestnews
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BURLINGTON, Colo. -- Documents released Monday in the case of a 12-year-old Colorado boy accused of fatally shooting his parents and wounding two siblings show prosecutors filed nine charges against him, including two counts of first-degree murder.
The documents released by a judge at the request of prosecutors also offer new details from investigators alleging the boy tried to hurt his 5-year-old sister with a knife and stabbed and shot his 9-year-old brother. The Denver Post and KUSA-TV report that the documents were released after a closed court hearing.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/15...#ixzz1GgbTKJBP
Now, of course this 12 year old was home schooled, so there is no way to know if he exhibited any behavior that would have predicted to teachers and administrators the pending violence had he been in a public school.
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Old 03-19-2011, 20:32   #162
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I come back from vacation and find the status quo. I'd hoped for better, although I didn't really expect it.

In the end, no answer after all this time (yeah, I re-read Post #5... what sentence contained the "answer"? The one that wants us to believe that a lawyer's common advice not talk to LEO?). Meh.

So, as far as TBO's post is concerned, "anti-authority" has no deep contextual meaning, and is meant only to taunt and to suppress argumentation (like calling someone a racist, or, heck, anti-healthcare, for that matter). So I'll exercise my right not to take offense to his emptiness.
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Old 03-19-2011, 20:47   #163
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I come back from vacation and find the status quo. I'd hoped for better, although I didn't really expect it.

In the end, no answer after all this time (yeah, I re-read Post #5... what sentence contained the "answer"? The one that wants us to believe that a lawyer's common advice not talk to LEO?). Meh.

So, as far as TBO's post is concerned, "anti-authority" has no deep contextual meaning, and is meant only to taunt and to suppress argumentation (like calling someone a racist, or, heck, anti-healthcare, for that matter). So I'll exercise my right not to take offense to his emptiness.
I believe Sam's previous post is appropriate here, too.
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Sorry, Rick, I don't think you're discussing this in good faith. You've been given answers and dismiss them summarily, with no attempt to explore what's involved. You set and insist on standards, using words you refuse to define. Until you change some of this, there's no way I can add to a conversation with you.
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Old 03-19-2011, 21:46   #164
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The answer, dear NCL, is in Post #5, eh, somewhere. Not sure what sentence brings it altogether, but I hear tell that a golden nugget of truth (all caps) exists in the dark regions of that brave post.


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Sorry, Rick, I don't think you're discussing this in good faith. You've been given answers and dismiss them summarily, with no attempt to explore what's involved.
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Well, I am both prompt and direct. However, I do explore. For example, I mentioned that what was being described as "anti-authority" is the common practice of defense attorneys. Seems odd for him to become angry when a person takes the time-proven advice of someone who graduated from law school and passed their state Bar exam.
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Old 04-17-2011, 15:53   #166
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Kinda a complicated question; lots of facets to the same issue, not all of which connect to each other.

In very, very broad terms, authority is what imposes order in a community. That can be parental authority in a family or legal authority in society. A segment of the community chafes under that, wholly happy to cause friction--loss of order--for others as long as they get their way. You might remember the recent WI thread: when the protesters were told, "go ahead and stay" some left. They didn't want to stay in the Capitol as much as they wanted to disrupt order and tranquility. Yet the balance between order and freedom is vital to the health of a society. (Read that last again; the whole "balance" thing is key to my views and this discussion.)

Cops see this every day. They are the visible manifestation of the state's authority and they bear the brunt of the juvenile "what about meeeee" rants. We're the ones telling you to turn down the music, the street is closed, those guys have a right to protest, you've had too much to drink---tons of stuff where you don't get it your way because society has a voice, too.

Remember our thread "Reason on consent searches"? The people, including you, who wanted to curtail LE authority (ability is a better word) to ask permission to search people's stuff? Classic example of what we're discussing here. Another example is the myriad of the "Don't ever talk to the police" threads: obstruction for the sake of obstruction, rationalized as exercising rights. Same thing with the dozens of posters in CI who won't respect a property owner's authority to ban guns because the sign wasn't just so, or they weren't told or concealed means concealed: pure rationalization of their disregard for authority in favor of their personal desires.

I now await the accusations of statism, sure to come from those who don't understand the two-sided nature of any contract, including social contracts. Or maybe they skipped over the part where I said how important balance is.
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So is it your assertion that there isn't a streak of anti-authoritarianism to be found on these boards? Or are you just asking what constitutes that streak?
There is a streak of anti-authoritarianism in the majority of the progeny of those who came to this country to get away from it in other countries. That makes it in a majority of the population.

Me included. I am a LAC, but don't mess with me. I have no problem talking to the LEO's when I have something pertinent to say, but don't start questioning me for no legal or apparent reason. If I am not in custody and one starts that I will just walk away. If one lays hands on me without justification, look for assault charges. I am not out there crossing the line, don't cross mine.
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There is a streak of anti-authoritarianism in the majority of the progeny of those who came to this country to get away from it in other countries. That makes it in a majority of the population.

Me included. I am a LAC, but don't mess with me. I have no problem talking to the LEO's when I have something pertinent to say, but don't start questioning me for no legal or apparent reason. If I am not in custody and one starts that I will just walk away. If one lays hands on me without justification, look for assault charges. I am not out there crossing the line, don't cross mine.
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:37   #169
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All things, in balance.
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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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Isn't that the question? Where is the balance point between indivual liberties and society's interets?

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Old 04-29-2011, 19:11   #171
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In the courts.
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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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Might be a good time to reintroduce this thread...

Some in current threads didn't participate when this first came out...
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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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In the courts.
Interesting. In the cop section there is a thread about a cop complaining about his car being searched for a weapon when he and his family wanted to pass the border into Canada. There were a lot of posters talking about how wrong that was. Would that be considered anti-authority, even though the Canadian customs officials felt completely justified in their suspicion?
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Depends on the content of the post(s).
As for individuals, post history can often be self defining.

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Originally Posted by Rooster Rugburn:
Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?

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Interesting. In the cop section there is a thread about a cop complaining about his car being searched for a weapon when he and his family wanted to pass the border into Canada. There were a lot of posters talking about how wrong that was. Would that be considered anti-authority, even though the Canadian customs officials felt completely justified in their suspicion?

Anti-authority regarding Canadian laws? Come to Toronto or Patchmanabad and throw your "I'm an American. I have rights" around.

Even North Korea might have gotten this right!

This is how the "Ugly American" started.
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