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Old 05-03-2013, 22:33   #26
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Like I asked, what are you going to shoot besides paper? I mean, fun is fun, but is there anything more to this besides cool (not that cool isn't more than enough)?


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Old 05-03-2013, 22:36   #27
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Can you rapid fire at 25 yards like this?

Bigger aint always better.
Yeah...not a problem...

The 10 Ring

Can you split a playing card -- edge-wise?

The 10 Ring

Twice in a row?

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Old 05-03-2013, 22:59   #28
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Yeah...not a problem...

The 10 Ring

Can you split a playing card -- edge-wise?

The 10 Ring

Twice in a row?



The 10 Ring


Good shooting! What kinda distance with the compact card cutter?
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:29   #29
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I've benn debating this conversion. Is it a valid Bear Gun as in going to go live in Alaska, do some hiking and take this w/ me into the wood. I'd rather have dual purpose pistol I can use than a 5 lb revolver unless that's what it's going to take.
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Old 05-04-2013, 02:13   #30
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Some guys in AK use 10mm and .357 for bear guns... a .460 Rowland would work about as well as those if you used the 255g+ bullets. Nothing close to a .44mag and up, but can weigh less if you don't load the magazine to capacity. A Redhawk weighs 46-49oz for 4 or 5 1/2" bbl, the G20 28 oz w/out mag, add 4.8oz for longslide and a couple for the comp. A Super Redhawk Alaskan weighs 44oz. So conceivably a G20 could save a lb if compared to a 5.5" Redhawk, or a tricked out longslide could save 8 oz over a .454 Casull Alaskan. Whether the weight savings are worth the big reduction in power are personal preference. It looks like the Alaskan pushes a 360g bullet @ 1200+, compared to 255 @ 1200 for the Rowland. You have to decide if you are better off with a few powerful shots or more with less power.
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:18   #31
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Good shooting! What kinda distance with the compact card cutter?
12-15 feet.


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Old 05-04-2013, 07:38   #32
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No loctite required -- the LW compensator has an allen screw to lock the comp onto the barrel.
Subjectively, by just looking at a photo of the LWD compensator it looks lighter compared to the comp. from 460 Rowland, LLC. Do you agree? Would you use the LWD comp. on the G30 460R (if the threads are compatible)?

It also appears there is much more open port area for the LWD comp. Do you sense any difference in combustion product exhaust reaching the shooter or noise level between the two comps?
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:12   #33
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To me, the LW comp is superior in design, fit & finish - compared to what is supplied from 460rowland.com

The LW comp is similar to a "tank brake" type of comp you'd see on a 50BMG rifle.

Gas is directed out of each side at an angle in addition to upward - whereas the 460rowland.com focuses purely upward.

I can't compare noise - as I was wearing active hearing protection.

I would like to get another LW comp to try on my G30 conversion - the thread patterns are identical.


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Old 05-04-2013, 08:36   #34
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My greatest concern about the LWD comp. for the G30 460R conversion is the weight. I'm very reluctant to reduce the total mass of slide plus barrel & comp at lockup for the G30. I suspect the G30 460R is on the ragged edge of sufficient mass to adequately delay unlocking with enough time for pressure in the barrel to drop. I wouldn't be as concerned for a G21 barrel or extended length barrel due to the greater mass of the barrel.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:41   #35
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No worries - the difference in weight of the two comps is negligible.


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Old 05-04-2013, 09:08   #36
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How much does that setup weight with the long slide, compensator, and empty magazine?

Do the 13 round mags work reliably with all 13 rounds? I've read several accounts that they don't. Many needed to run double mag springs which effectively reduced the capacity. However, I don't think that any of those were long slides so the extra slide mass may slow things down enough for that next round to pop up into place.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:08   #37
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No worries - the difference in weight of the two comps is negligible.
LOL - Maybe no worrries for a guy that tests 45 Super in a stock G30S for gosh sake! You're a wildman! They should put barrier/caution tape around anyone shooting 45 Super with a G30S at public ranges.
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Old 05-04-2013, 10:19   #38
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I stepped up to a Man's cartridge -- 460 Rowland!

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Definitely 44 Magnum territory!

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Congrats on the new toy! Is it easier to get ammo supply for it, nowadays ?


BTW, the guys and gals at 50AE may disagree with you on the manliness issue. But with them, I'd just point out the 12 gauge 1 ounce slug going at 1,600fps on a semiautomatic. There's always a bigger fish in the ocean.
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:35   #39
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I think it's a very cool conversion. I have the 45 Super set up on my G21sf with just a 6" ported barrel. I think either are fine for deer, elk and black bear. I would not, however, think it sufficient for Alaskan Brown bear.

My buddy in AK calls me bearanoid, but I take stiff 45 Colt and 454 when I fish up there, and I'd feel even better with 475 or 500 Linebaugh. I only discount the 500 S&W because I can't afford an arms bearer.

My grizz/brownie load is a Cast Performance 335 grain WLNGC at 1200 - 1400 fps. I had an SRH Alaskan, but deemed the velocity loss unacceptable for all the recoil and muzzle blast... from 1430 fps down to 1174 fps. So a Ruger SRH 7-1/2" is what I take north now. I think if Ruger made an Alaskan with a 4" - 5" barrel it would be perfect. I've owned the Ruger Redhawk and just don't like it. I consider the SRH a much better tool.

As far as 10mm goes, I think it's a great crossover, or multi-purpose gun. You can use it for PD/SD/HD and for hunting. The 45 Super can be in the same category. I would not use a Rowland for SD unless I was out hunting and that's all I had.
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As far as 10mm goes, I think it's a great crossover, or multi-purpose gun. You can use it for PD/SD/HD and for hunting. The 45 Super can be in the same category. I would not use a Rowland for SD unless I was out hunting and that's all I had.
I completely agree about the 460R's dubious role for SD carry. I personally only carry it for woods protection and during travel to and from the outback. The pistol is converted back to 45ACP immediately for urban carry. For that matter, the same goes for my gal's 10mm conversion. Her G30SF is a 45ACP pistol in the city.

I don't think you are being "bearanoid" at all when it comes to brown bears. Nothing that can be shot from a Glock (native or converted caliber) can be relied upon to stop a nearby, charging mama grizzly defending her cubs (big difference between stopping a lethal charge versus eventually killing). If a 460R was the only thing I had in that dire situation, so be it, but I'd be inclined to save the last bullet for myself.
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There was a story around a few years back where a handgun hunter went to Alaska for some brown bear. He took a S&W 500 mag on a sling for the hunt. IIRC, he had to shoot that monster grizz 9 or 10 times before it finally gave up the fight. Wow....
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Old 05-04-2013, 21:43   #42
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Yeah, story. On the internet, so it must be true.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of documented brown bear one-shot-drops with .41M, .44M, .45LC, .454C, .460SWM, and .500SWM. Many of the were HUGE. Since the beginning of recorded history, much lesser weapons have been used, successfully. If it takes 9 or 10 rounds of 500, someone was trying to save a rug. It would have required at least one reload, so the situation couldn't have been that dire after the first 5.
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http://www.biggamehunt.net/articles/...kan-brown-bear

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In the end, the bear had been shot 12 times. Two bullets found their mark from the 47/70 rifle and there were 10 slugs from the pair of Smith & Wesson .500’s, all shot at close range. As we spoke, Glen Sr., a registered Master Alaskan guide said he had seen bears die with one shot and others like this big boy that took a barrage of shots before going down. Funny thing.
You read and decide for yourself, Kreskin.
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I meant no slight on you, but the "story". The article reads like a romance novel, not that I read romance novels. I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that it's unique to the event, not the species or hardware. Unbelievable? Perhaps. Exaggerated? Most definitely. Maybe a tough kill, but not that tough. Too many things had to go wrong, to go that wrong. It's the exception, not the rule, if it happened.
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Old 05-05-2013, 15:41   #45
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I stepped up to a Man's cartridge -- 460 Rowland!

Here's my G21L with 24# Wolf Spring and LW Compensator that I put together today:

The 10 Ring

(yes - photo taken before I drifted in the rear sight)

Results of todays range time with a Chrony:

185gr Gold Dot Underwood Ammunition = 1630 fps & 1091 ft/lbs

230gr Gold Dot Underwood Ammunition = 1430 fps & 1044 ft/lbs

Definitely 44 Magnum territory!

With this long slide (solid top), 24# Wolf Spring, and LW Compensator -- it felt like target load 45 ACP Ball when shooting the full power 460 Rowland.

Shooting ball through the pistol without changing anything felt like 22 rimfire...
That picture gives me a stiffy, I am building something like that now.

There is a lot of BS about stopping bears or elk or anything
including people, CNS shots are #1 here, brain, neck and spine
are what works and spine has to be at sholder or forward for best results.

Anything that can penetrate through those will work.
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