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Old 05-03-2013, 11:14   #626
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It has to do with partying...some dancing/song thing.
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Have any of you read or heard of legal actions being taken regarding the searches?
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Just saw some interviews from residents that the houses searched were left unlocked and wide open while the occupants were required to leave the area. They don't say how far away from their homes but sounded like far enough away that leaving the houses wide open was a problem for them. No matter what your position on the incident is that should be indefensible.

You want suggestions Russ? Don't run up in people's houses then forget to close the doors behind you on the way out. That's a start.
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Just saw some interviews from residents that the houses searched were left unlocked and wide open while the occupants were required to leave the area. They don't say how far away from their homes but sounded like far enough away that leaving the houses wide open was a problem for them. No matter what your position on the incident is that should be indefensible.

You want suggestions Russ? Don't run up in people's houses then forget to close the doors behind you on the way out. That's a start.
Do you have links to those interviews?
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Just saw some interviews from residents that the houses searched were left unlocked and wide open while the occupants were required to leave the area. They don't say how far away from their homes but sounded like far enough away that leaving the houses wide open was a problem for them. No matter what your position on the incident is that should be indefensible.

You want suggestions Russ? Don't run up in people's houses then forget to close the doors behind you on the way out. That's a start.
Or, by leaving the front door open a scene commander was able to easily distinguish homes that had been searched as opposed to homes that had not.
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I can't find any links to any interviews "from residents" during the daytime search. Where did you hear them?

There were incidents during the day where residents were evacuated from homes adjacent to specific properties where the suspect was believed to be.

From the interviews, where were the properties located, specifically?

How long were they kept out of their properties?

When did they return?

Who was at their properties when they returned?

How many residents were interviewed? One? Two? Five? Ten?
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Do you have links to those interviews?

(I take everything I read on infowars with a grain of salt since they like to sensationalize just like the msm, but they do some great investigative work)


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Or, by leaving the front door open a scene commander was able to easily distinguish homes that had been searched as opposed to homes that had not.
That's great and all for the scene commander's convenience but if resident's security is the priority then leaving their houses wide open is irresponsible and disrespectful. Nevermind that if they're still searching for the suspect then what's to prevent that suspect from then running inside an already searched but left wide open house????
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(I take everything I read on infowars with a grain of salt since they like to sensationalize just like the msm, but they do some great investigative work)

That's great and all for the scene commander's convenience but if resident's security is the priority then leaving their houses wide open is irresponsible and disrespectful. Nevermind that if they're still searching for the suspect then what's to prevent that suspect from then running inside an already searched but left wide open house????
You do know, don't you, that the people interviewed were all residents on the street where the shootout occurred between the brothers and police. They were evacuated as a result of the shootout, not as part of the subsequent house to house searches as you alleged. Those people's experiences happened before the house-to-house searches began.

Should police have secured the properties? Probably, if they had keys for deadbolts, at least closing doors, if they were indeed left open.

When you find dirt, or what you think is dirt, listen very carefully to all the words being spoken, not just the ones you want to hear.

And pay attention to the editing of the video. When a person starts out hesitant, uncertain, then comes back with short, precise statements, closely edited, I bet you they were just fed the words to say.

And one point the interviewer seemed to want to make was that no one received any official notice of the "LOCKDOWN". He danced all around with those people about that.

What ya got next, G19G20?
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Actually, it appears they were the first houses that were searched because the second suspect had not been apprehended after the shootout. Obviously they were house-to-house searches. Once again, they left the houses wide open and that's indefensible and that was my point. I wonder why you have to find a way to excuse their actions in every way. There was so much wrong with this whole incident from start to finish that it must be very tiring for you to try to explain everything away as it comes to light. I sure hope someone is paying you well to play damage control spokesman.

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And pay attention to the editing of the video. When a person starts out hesitant, uncertain, then comes back with short, precise statements, closely edited, I bet you they were just fed the words to say.
Careful. You sound like a conspiracy theorist.
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Just saw some interviews from residents that the houses searched were left unlocked and wide open while the occupants were required to leave the area. They don't say how far away from their homes but sounded like far enough away that leaving the houses wide open was a problem for them. No matter what your position on the incident is that should be indefensible.

You want suggestions Russ? Don't run up in people's houses then forget to close the doors behind you on the way out. That's a start.
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(I take everything I read on infowars with a grain of salt since they like to sensationalize just like the msm, but they do some great investigative work)

That's great and all for the scene commander's convenience but if resident's security is the priority then leaving their houses wide open is irresponsible and disrespectful. Nevermind that if they're still searching for the suspect then what's to prevent that suspect from then running inside an already searched but left wide open house????
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Actually, it appears they were the first houses that were searched because the second suspect had not been apprehended after the shootout. Obviously they were house-to-house searches. Once again, they left the houses wide open and that's indefensible and that was my point. I wonder why you have to find a way to excuse their actions in every way. There was so much wrong with this whole incident from start to finish that it must be very tiring for you to try to explain everything away as it comes to light. I sure hope someone is paying you well to play damage control spokesman.

Careful. You sound like a conspiracy theorist.
Conspiracy theorist? Me?

Okay, I see what you are presenting here.
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Title: Police Force Residents Out of Homes; Force Them to Leave the Area Immediately

Subtitle: Police leave homes unsecured, vulnerable

Description: Police evacuate residents of Laurel Street at first daylight, scene of 12:45 AM shootout between police and Tsarnaev brothers, as they search for fleeing younger brother and additional unexploded bombs.

Purpose: Use these interviews to represent how all residents of the Watertown search area were treated during search process: All residents were forced out of their homes; all were forced to leave the area; all were not allowed back into their homes until much later; all homes were left open; no residents were officially notified by authorities; etc.
Yes, G19G20, you have said many times there was much wrong with what was done. But, that's all you are going to do about it. Post on Glock Talk. You said you do not communicate with officials, those empowered to do something, those who can do something about correcting policy going forward. No, you'll just spend your energy searching for that special candidate to support who may be elected, who may reach a position of influence at sometime in the future to effect change. In the meantime, while you are chasing your hope for change, others are dealing with the here and now.

As several here have said, people are working right now on making certain that the things that were done right are recognized and that they will be used again. Things that were done wrong, they will be recognized, too, and will not be done again.

Yes, it does get tiring, G19G20. Not what you said, trying to explain it away. Don't want it to go away. Just explaining things, how things happen, why things might happen. But it isn't for you, not at all. You, your mind is made up, always has been. All you want is someone's blood. You have no other interest. Even though you ask why, you do not care why. You just want all of law enforcement punished. Now, it is for leaving peoples' doors open.

I and others continue to contribute hoping that someone lurking, someone with an open mind, will benefit from the information we provide.

What do you believe should happen, G19G20? What would be appropriate? Are you looking for financial gain for the home owners? Do you want criminal or civil punishment for the individual officers? How about the Watertown police hold a block party with a few kegs of Boston's finest brews? What do you want to see happen to the police?

What solutions do you propose?
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Seems G19G20 left the building...

Has anyone heard of any lawsuits yet over the searches?
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The problem with getting wrapped around the axle about some theoretical situation and the terrible consequences for the poor theoretical victims is that often those victims don't seem to be harmed and aren't screaming about it.

It seems as though the people actually affected are exercising their right to move on.

Oh the humanity

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Has anyone heard of any lawsuits yet over the searches?
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The problem with get wrapped around the axle about some theoretical situation and the terrible consequences for the poor theoretical victims is that often those victims don't seem to be harmed and aren't screaming about it.

It seems as though the people actually affected are exercising their right to move on.

Oh the humanity
That's my assessment as well. As liberal as that area is, and as liberal as we know the media to be, it seems clear to me that we'd be hearing hourly all the tales of the disenfranchised...if it really happened that way. And if it did, the residents appear quite content that the government acted in their best interests.

It's one thing to suggest that the government could have done a job better. Rarely is that not the case, particularly in chaotic and rapidly evolving emergencies. It's quite another thing to force-feed us a story about coercion and deprivation rights, maliciously and specifically executed about the good people of Massachusetts.
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That's my assessment as well. As liberal as that area is, and as liberal as we know the media to be, it seems clear to me that we'd be hearing hourly all the tales of the disenfranchised...if it really happened that way. And if it did, the residents appear quite content that the government acted in their best interests.

It's one thing to suggest that the government could have done a job better. Rarely is that not the case, particularly in chaotic and rapidly evolving emergencies. It's quite another thing to force-feed us a story about coercion and deprivation rights, maliciously and specifically executed about the good people of Massachusetts.



Aw, whatta you know ? You just have experience. The people sounding the alarm have assumptions, feelings and narratives. They trump your old reality and experience everytime
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Where's that poster who was trumpeting "They were after one man"...

Why didn't he see this and help the authorities?
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Where's that poster who was trumpeting "They were after one man"...

Why didn't he see this and help the authorities?
But, but, there was no danger that other people were involved. It's not like it was a "cell" or anything.
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There were early concerns that the brothers were influenced by others.

Are there even more?
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Where's that poster who was trumpeting "They were after one man"...

Why didn't he see this and help the authorities?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...le-murder.html

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every single one of these searches in boston were conducted with the consent of the owner and not a single door was kicked in where nobody was home... so what is the big deal.?
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every single one of these searches in boston were conducted with the consent of the owner and not a single door was kicked in where nobody was home... so what is the big deal.?
You should watch the video I posted a few posts above. Does a kicked in door alone define non-consent? Does a resident consent if they don't refuse while there are shielded men in black with guns pointed at them telling them to come out with their hands up? That's like saying that if Im sitting in an interrogation room and there are 10 men standing there with guns pointed at my chest that I can just "refuse". I think the legal term is "coerced".
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You do know, don't you, that the people interviewed were all residents on the street where the shootout occurred between the brothers and police. They were evacuated as a result of the shootout, not as part of the subsequent house to house searches as you alleged. Those people's experiences happened before the house-to-house searches began.

Should police have secured the properties? Probably, if they had keys for deadbolts, at least closing doors, if they were indeed left open.

When you find dirt, or what you think is dirt, listen very carefully to all the words being spoken, not just the ones you want to hear.

And pay attention to the editing of the video. When a person starts out hesitant, uncertain, then comes back with short, precise statements, closely edited, I bet you they were just fed the words to say.

And one point the interviewer seemed to want to make was that no one received any official notice of the "LOCKDOWN". He danced all around with those people about that.

What ya got next, G19G20?
Context G19G20, context...
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See the second part of my signature.
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