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Old 06-14-2013, 23:01   #41
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Would be a great trunk gun for those who ride an old Harley Davidson.

And... a 5.7mm 40gr bullet traveling @ about 2,300 is going to do some significant damage. And... a 50 round mag... I'm likin' it!

Where ya at fredj338??? What do you think?
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Old 06-15-2013, 00:17   #42
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I like magnum revolvers, g-20 and g-21's..............but this would be really neat to have and try on hogs if it wasn't so expensive.
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Old 06-16-2013, 17:06   #43
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I like magnum revolvers, g-20 and g-21's..............but this would be really neat to have and try on hogs if it wasn't so expensive.
.223/5.56 is already questionable on hogs, why choose something weaker and less effective? - to make them suffer and die slow?
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Old 06-16-2013, 18:58   #44
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.223/5.56 is already questionable on hogs, why choose something weaker and less effective? - to make them suffer and die slow?
LOL, you must think I am an plebeian pistol shot. I am a expert at pig heart shots. I have got one shot. A three inch circle in a pigs chest cavity. From a sitting two hand hold, how many shots will you put in an orange at 15 yes? I dare say you would put all of them in the orange. How far do you think a pig can run after he has a dime size hole thru his heart?

some of the 5.56 shooters are kinda spray a pray shooters. Those that are careful shots and know pig anatomy, do quite well with the 5.56 out to 100yds. Pig hunting is just like defensive shooting. Shot place is everything and you need enough penetration to get a hole thru the heart.
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Old 06-16-2013, 19:46   #45
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Shot place is everything and you need enough penetration to get a hole thru the heart.
Exactly. Which is why I wouldn't want a 31 or 40gr bullet, no matter how fast it is.

But I think I was quoting Hondo's post, not one of yours...
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Old 06-16-2013, 22:36   #46
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Where are the street credentials for this round?

Can't find any?

Think about that.......
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Old 06-16-2013, 22:38   #47
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This is another epic 9x19 or larger thread in the making......





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This is another epic 9x19 or larger thread in the making......





I don't think so. The bullet does have the user base. even though it was designed to replace the 9mm, the 9mm has a great number of shooters including me.

I saw a post from the Shot Show that someone else is coming out with a smallish carbine for the 5.7 x 28
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Old 06-22-2013, 15:33   #49
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I like the round and due to FN making subgun in same caliber it makes sense since you only have to carry one caliber ammo, from that standpoint it is a very useful setup, You can also get a AR upper in this caliber with 50 round magazine that does not hang down....I have also shot a lot of car doors....anything since around mid 70's has crash bars inside doors, and when you add window glass motors, speakers, auto locks and such, you will rarely shoot through a modern car door with a pistol round. 00 buck is pretty useless against a car door, regardless of movies....I like the 5.7 due to it has the velocity to make hits past 100 yards....
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Old 06-23-2013, 00:09   #51
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It's a pretty neat pistol, but the ammo is expensive, hard to reload, and availability is limited. The cartridge was originally designed to be fired rapidly from the P-90. Getting hit by several of those in full-auto would put a hurtin' on someone. However, I don't really see what the 5.7 offers that 9mm, 40, 45, 357sig, and 10mm don't already offer.
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Old 06-23-2013, 21:15   #52
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just for this one post lets assume that the designers did make a round of the 5.7 that is as effective as the 9mm (I actually don't know that). Now load your 9mm and 5.7 with your defensive ammo. have a friend act as RO and start the time. at the beep put 3 rounds in three different target.

measure the groups and check the time. count the number of rounds left in your pistol magazine. then you will know why you might chose one over the other.
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Old 06-25-2013, 03:00   #53
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I don't think so. The bullet does have the user base. even though it was designed to replace the 9mm, the 9mm has a great number of shooters including me.

I saw a post from the Shot Show that someone else is coming out with a smallish carbine for the 5.7 x 28
Wasn't this round developed for a PDW in the first place? As such, it's safe to assume a much higher velocity was involved. This round, as all the other smaller rounds is velocity dependent.

I can't see the 5.7 getting anywhere close to the velocities out of the handgun that it sees from the PDW.

Hence, I can't see the terminal performance being what it is from the PDW and where the 5.7 from a handgun will do anything that any other respectable service caliber won't already do.

Further to add, those respected service calibers have the track record on the street where the 5.7 is simply conjecture.

To each their own. I'll keep my .40's and .45's. I know they work.

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Old 06-25-2013, 03:07   #54
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one more. a friend saw the saw thread and sent me a link. this is the SS195LF, a 27 gr copper bullet that does not have a closed tip. there is a hole about 1/32" in the tip.

SLOW MOTION 5.7x28mm FN SS-197 impacting ballistic gelatin - YouTube
So basically we've just duplicated point blank .22LR ballistics from a .22 rifle.

Nice!

A whole whopping 158.8 foot pounds of energy!


Speer Gold Dot .40 S&W 165 grain bullet at 1,140 fps 484 ft. lbs

Federal HST .45 ACP 230+P 950 fps 461 ft. lbs.


Again, 27 grain bullet at 1,628 fps @ 158.8 ft. lbs..........



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Old 06-25-2013, 03:18   #55
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just for this one post lets assume that the designers did make a round of the 5.7 that is as effective as the 9mm (I actually don't know that). Now load your 9mm and 5.7 with your defensive ammo. have a friend act as RO and start the time. at the beep put 3 rounds in three different target.

measure the groups and check the time. count the number of rounds left in your pistol magazine. then you will know why you might chose one over the other.

There again if you shoot someone enough times with a high capacity CO2 pellet gun, they will go down eventually too.......


I won't dispute the effectiveness of the 5.7 from the PDW but I'd never stake my life on it from a handgun without well tested and proven defensive ammo.

The current offerings leave a lot to be desired and I'm sorry to say, the round is severely lacking from a handgun. The perp that gets hit with it will probably bleed out but will likely do you a lot of harm before he does.

Just sayin......
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Old 06-25-2013, 06:43   #56
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Lbs. Ft. of energy means little in a gunfight.....plenty of people are killed with .22's requiring just one shot.....Buffalo Bore has 9mm ammo that produces 500 ft. lbs. outperforming most 40 and 45 loads......bullet energy is way down the list compared to bullet placement.....this is truly the endless discussion, in a gunfight the specs of any round is useless info....it will never enter your mind.....
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Old 06-26-2013, 05:55   #57
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I am really not trying to get you to carry a 5.7. I am not even trying to convince you it is an adequate carry round.........actually when I carry the 5.7 it is just for the reason I hope it won't shoot thru walls or exit a BG.
Interesting report on your experiences with this caliber. Good to know...just in case.

Thanks...!
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