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Old 06-16-2013, 17:41   #51
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I guess the whole thing leaves me with several points for discussion or self reflection.

1. The fact that you've gone 4 years as a supervisor and not yet dealt with any other dead weight, low producing officers, is curious, but could be indicative of point 2.

2. The idea that your department allowed all the dead weight, low producing officers to slug along on a single shift for who knows how long (at least four years, according to what you've told us) is an indictment of terrible leadership from above. It seems there is a culture of allowing officers to do whatever the heck they want for as long as they want.

3. Expanding on point 2, that these officers could do basically nothing for years and years, but then your command staff above you expects you to fix them during your 2 month tour with them, is just absurd. Your command staff needs to be made aware that these folks are NOT your problem, and while you are happy to help fix the problem, more solid leadership and guidance needs to come from above. The chief himself needs to sit everyone down in a department meeting and say "alright gang, things have been lax for a long time, no more".

Anyhow, that's my thoughts.. I've worked for many different supervisors over the years, good and bad, but never been one myself. Take my advice or leave it..
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Old 06-16-2013, 20:55   #52
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I guess the whole thing leaves me with several points for discussion or self reflection.

1. The fact that you've gone 4 years as a supervisor and not yet dealt with any other dead weight, low producing officers, is curious, but could be indicative of point 2.

2. The idea that your department allowed all the dead weight, low producing officers to slug along on a single shift for who knows how long (at least four years, according to what you've told us) is an indictment of terrible leadership from above. It seems there is a culture of allowing officers to do whatever the heck they want for as long as they want.

3. Expanding on point 2, that these officers could do basically nothing for years and years, but then your command staff above you expects you to fix them during your 2 month tour with them, is just absurd. Your command staff needs to be made aware that these folks are NOT your problem, and while you are happy to help fix the problem, more solid leadership and guidance needs to come from above. The chief himself needs to sit everyone down in a department meeting and say "alright gang, things have been lax for a long time, no more".

Anyhow, that's my thoughts.. I've worked for many different supervisors over the years, good and bad, but never been one myself. Take my advice or leave it..

some are old guys whom recently came from other departments, some use to be investigators in a previous life.... but i will say i am not without my own flaws.

and yes, the command expects me and the other sgts. to motivate them. this will only go so far as the write ups if and when they occur will come across thier desks for thier signature to support my findings or not.

my gripe is when they were on other shifts they were diluted.... you know the whole team gets credit even the slugs.... but when they put all the slugs together...well you know how that goes....

i was against the break up of certain officers whom work good together... plotting and scheming.... but slugs dont do that... they ride on the coat tails of the go getters. well im the only go getter on the shift it seems and without making them hold hands and go in to the projects together they wont...

ive come up with a plan and assignments that seems to be working as long as i stay on them... it will highlight thier deficiencies or productivity because they ate accountable for certain tasks i assign them.

other guys actually want to be left alone so they can freelance which is fine because they do stuff. this crew i have now are retired on the job.
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Old 06-17-2013, 13:00   #53
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I'm not entirely sure the "hammer time" has come. Have you tried the "lead by example" route? I think one of the best ways to make hard chargers out of the ROD guys is to be a hard charger yourself. Make them work with you. Have dispatch pull a stack of warrants (like 10-20) and tell them you're going to get them all served by the end of the week. Make them go with you as "backup." Some of the slugs might start working, so send them off to do the job. Rotate making the slugs that resist ride with you. Make them drive and point out violations to them and say "stop that car" or "did you see that?" If you're in the car, it's hard for them to find an excuse to try to cruise all night without doing anything. Make it fun again. It seems to me a lot of the old timers are beaten down by the administration and just want to ride out their remaining time and retire in peace.
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Old 06-22-2013, 10:56   #54
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Are their actions an "officer safety" concern? Or are they just lazy in every other aspect?
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Are their actions an "officer safety" concern? Or are they just lazy in every other aspect?
this, unmotivated, wanting to do things their way..... if i dont tell them, they wont do anything....or wont do what is required....
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I'm sorry to hear that. I'm no supervisor, but I have been an FTO in the past and I hate seeing others as you described.
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Old 06-22-2013, 13:35   #57
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A very good friend of mine moved from patrol to patrol sergeant.

He admits to this day that it was the worst mistake he ever made considering the environment and the chief at the time.

He was a star. College graduate, smart guy, one of the most proactive officers out there. Unfortunately, the moment he put on stripes, he was plugged for failure. From a insolent and openly hostile squad to a chief who refused to back him, he was challenged at every turn. It burned him up pretty quick and he is no longer a cop and has zero to do with the cop world anymore.

He admitted that he tried the various methods such as leading by example, dropping the hammer, win/win, and so on. None of it work as the people he supervised on his squad actively resisted him, threatened him and went to the chief to complain. The chief came down on him. He looked at taking a voluntary demotion but was told it was not allowed nor would his then wife allow a roll back because they "needed" the extra money.

It's a sad story in all but when I was asked if I would be a sergeant, I told command staff not only no but hell no, especially under the previous chief as he didn't have the courage to back his sergeants and wouldn't ride the department of the problem children. That may change with the new chief who is much more to backing his sergeants and not buckling under some officer crap.

Your postings was timely and I wish you success. But I will say there is no shame if you take a voluntary demotion to save your mental health and career.
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Try7 what Blueiron suggests, but watch your ass they don't double reverse you......document all X5 and good luck...
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