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Old 09-06-2013, 14:32   #151
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Here is a list of just current Republican US Senators who attended Ivy League schools.

Mike Crapo
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Rob Portman
Pat Toomey
Ted Cruz
plus David Vitter
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Old 09-06-2013, 14:37   #152
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In my experience education level does not equate to smart. Look how the mainstream media influences the sheeple who by and large are well educated. One example is how people are buying into this notion of bombing Syria because the media is telling them "It's the right thing to do". That is now the catch phrase of this bunch of KOOKS.
Education gives you facts and theories to hopefully better deal with work and life, it does nothing to make you smart.

Sadly a lot of education is motivated by wishful thinking rather than any connection to reality. This can be a hindrance to understanding what is really going on.
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Old 09-06-2013, 15:33   #153
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You say he never dropped out of Medical School but was accepted to an MD/PhD program and decided to do the PhD part. It doest work that way. You do two years of Medical School first. So, he must have made the choice to only do the PhD before he ever started Medical School....but you say he wanted to be a Doctor before he began his studies.
"Friend" did a summer rotation in a potential thesis lab and took a basic-research course for MD/PhD students prior to taking any MD courses in the fall. In his first semester, he may have added a PhD course on top of traditional MD classes. Entirely reasonable to assume that he got a taste of PhD research and coursework, subsequently was exposed to MD coursework and ended up choosing the former.

http://www.hms.harvard.edu/md_phd/pr..._sequence.html
http://www.hms.harvard.edu/md_phd/summer/course.html
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Old 09-06-2013, 15:40   #154
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I don't think that one can overstate the role good memory has in being successful in the science disciplines. However, persistence, discipline, and practice are also important and can go far in ensuring success.
Many of my very good ideas come when my memory is worst... i.e. with a few liters beer....

Actually, my memorization sucks. Yet, I have no issues with being successful at science discipline. As an example, right now I am working on an IPG for a deep brain stimulator. There is no memorization because what I am doing hasnt been done before. Basically, a client asked if it could be done..I said "sure"....had no clue if it could...but its working.....
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Old 09-06-2013, 16:14   #155
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... make you smart.

smart- "having or showing a quick-witted intelligence."

Genetics and environment both play a part in how "smart" a person may become.

As far as the environmental component, parents and the development of a child through about age 6 have the most profound impact on that. Don't blame colleges, or even high schools or grade schools for not making people "smart".

Plus there are many "smart" people whom you or I may not think to be smart on casual acquaintance or simply because they have different values than we have.
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Old 09-06-2013, 16:21   #156
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plus David Vitter
That's right, I forgot, he did his undergrad at Harvard and was a Rhodes scholar
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"Friend" did a summer rotation in a potential thesis lab and took a basic-research course for MD/PhD students prior to taking any MD courses in the fall. In his first semester, he may have added a PhD course on top of traditional MD classes. Entirely reasonable to assume that he got a taste of PhD research and coursework, subsequently was exposed to MD coursework and ended up choosing the former.

http://www.hms.harvard.edu/md_phd/pr..._sequence.html
http://www.hms.harvard.edu/md_phd/summer/course.html
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That depends on the discipline. You are completely right in some areas of study. A close friend thought that he wanted to be a doctor - until he began his studies and found most doctors not to be that intelligent - more like savants with exceptional rote memorization skills.
How can that mean anything other than someone starting Medical School. According to your one possible loophole, this guy did one summer class that was not medical school and decided Doctors at Harvard were not that intelligent.

Again, the story is not only factually wrong. (HMS doesn't grant PhDs) it also doesn't make a lot of sense as it is told.
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Something that is interesting is that one doesn't necessarily have to study at a university to get a Ph.D.

All that is required is the Ph.D. dissertation if a person finds a professor willing to do so and even more likely if one brings a self-funded research project to the university.
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We all know when the famine comes, the skinny ones die first.

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1. My son is an MS 1 at an excellent medical school equally attuned to the clinical and research. Several of his fellow MS 1s are Ph.D biochemical guys who want the clinical education to dive full into research. They take biochem in the morning and anatomy lab in the afternoon. One of the four in his anatomy group - the four share a table and a cadaver - is one of the bio-chem Ph.D holders. This guy says MS-1 biochem is hard because the pace is so fast. My son says it is difficult because there is a mountain of material and the test questions are derived from the material not directly about the material. That's not memorization.

2. The Ph.D crowd is great at analyzing data and making graphs and conducting studies. The MD has to take some of that and save the non compliant IV drug user. The deal is both have thier place.
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Old 09-06-2013, 19:05   #161
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Something that is interesting is that one doesn't necessarily have to study at a university to get a Ph.D.

All that is required is the Ph.D. dissertation if a person finds a professor willing to do so and even more likely if one brings a self-funded research project to the university.
Interesting, I never knew that.
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Old 09-06-2013, 19:21   #162
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To the OP:

I would disagree with the statement that education doesn't make most people smart. I think it just comes down to a different set of expectations.

Example: If an MBA from Harvard were unable to manage his/her household finances, that would leave a lasting impression on me. The same financial difficulties from a person who dropped out of school after the eighth grade wouldn't be as much of a surprise.

I am a heavy equipment operator. Most people would look at a lawyer and expect them to be smarter.

But since this is GT, I'll go ahead and say that I'm the smartest person in the world. Not to mention the most athletic, most handsome, best lover, and most charismatic person on the planet.
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You're absolutely right. MS-1 biochem is annoying and it doesn't help that most people can't teach it right. If your son wants advice on study material biochem to understand the underlying concepts (especially the material for Step 1), PM me. There is one excellent source and it helped me score very well on Step 1.
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Many of my very good ideas come when my memory is worst... i.e. with a few liters beer....

Actually, my memorization sucks. Yet, I have no issues with being successful at science discipline. As an example, right now I am working on an IPG for a deep brain stimulator. There is no memorization because what I am doing hasnt been done before. Basically, a client asked if it could be done..I said "sure"....had no clue if it could...but its working.....
My post was in the context of science studies in college.
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Something that is interesting is that one doesn't necessarily have to study at a university to get a Ph.D.

All that is required is the Ph.D. dissertation if a person finds a professor willing to do so and even more likely if one brings a self-funded research project to the university.
Are you able to provide proof of this? HH
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Are you able to provide proof of this? HH
Go bring a self-funded project to a university and you will find out.
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1) The Soviet Union started infiltrating the US Colleges in the 1930s to slant the "education system".
2) The modern education system is not to think, it is to robotically repeat what the professor stated to pass the exam.
3) Most Americans are sheep who will blindly follow their favorite celebrities opinion.
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Are you able to provide proof of this? HH
You need to understand how professors operate. They have 3 duties.

1) Teach
2) Publish
3) Bring in research projects. By bring in research projects, this means bring in projects that bring in money.

The projects are what get published.

No projects, no publishing. No publishing, no credibility and not wanted to teach.

So, when a "student" comes with a funded project that the professor can be in charge of (and get publishing credits on) it is a win-win.

A non-funded student, the university (professors) must find funded projects from them to work on.

When you try and find funded projects, you understand why bringing funding makes for a very good student.
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You need to understand how professors operate. They have 3 duties.

1) Teach
2) Publish
3) Bring in research projects. By bring in research projects, this means bring in projects that bring in money.

The projects are what get published.

No projects, no publishing. No publishing, no credibility and not wanted to teach.

So, when a "student" comes with a funded project that the professor can be in charge of (and get publishing credits on) it is a win-win.

A non-funded student, the university (professors) must find funded projects from them to work on.

When you try and find funded projects, you understand why bringing funding makes for a very good student.
May I inquire as to where exactly you received your Ph.D. from? HH
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You could. You could also inquire about where I work and what my home address is.
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Go bring a self-funded project to a university and you will find out.
We talking American university or euro/china or somewhere?
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You could. You could also inquire about where I work and what my home address is.
Your height, weight and hair color do not concern me. Your experience in a Ph.D. program does. HH
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We talking American university or euro/china or somewhere?
You can buy whatever degree you want at American University.
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I see what you did there. HH
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Negative.

You made claims. I factually disproved those claims. You dismiss it as quibbling.

Your friend does not have a PhD from Harvard Medical School. (you flat out said he does)

You say he never dropped out of Medical School but was accepted to an MD/PhD program and decided to do the PhD part. It doest work that way. You do two years of Medical School first. So, he must have made the choice to only do the PhD before he ever started Medical School....but you say he wanted to be a Doctor before he began his studies.

And this friend, said this

So this friend of yours claims that the Doctors at Harvard, (among the smartest professions at arguably the most prestigious school in the world) are "not that intelligent"....which is, from a quantifiable level, a factually false statement. As a matter of fact, we are talking about a group of of people who are comparatively among the smartest people on the planet. As I said, there is no detail about your friend that can change the fact about the intelligence level of doctors/med student at Harvard.

Your friends statement is like a guy saying "i want to be a golfer" then playing half a hole of golf with Tiger Woods and then claiming "he isnt that good, he is just very well practiced, this isnt that hard at all" and then quit golf forever to become a golf course manager. To pick on the best...when you didnt become one, doesnt prove the point you think it does.

Listen, you are among one of my favorite posters here but you are just flat out wrong, factually wrong about a lot of things here and your story doesnt add up as you tell it. That is not quibbling.
I resent your allegations, Rabbi. If I had integrity issues I would not have accomplished a 25 year career as an Army officer with two below the zone promotions.

While I'm not sure why you are concerned with my friend's academic credential when what is central to this conversation are his words, what I can do is provide context for my association with him while attempting to protect everyone's privacy.

What I have stated here is what's on his curriculum vitae.

I met him while my daughter was at Harvard Business School. Parental visits and the auditing of classes are encouraged there.

Due to my daughters healthcare expertise (she was sponsored at Harvard and is currently the COO of a $40B healthcare company), she was assigned a special project for Reggie Herzlinger. My friend to be was an associate of Ms. Herzlinger (and Ray Kursweil and his son Ethan for that matter). On one of my visits, my daughter found time on her calendar to invite me to lunch with him thinking that it would make for an interesting meal. She was right and we became friends.

This document is as far as I am willing to go for the sake of verification.

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