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Old 11-17-2013, 08:54   #226
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As Doc said, you have left many, many, many, many questions out there unanswered.
Therefore what?
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Where did that come from?
Obviously the victim of the crime. Of course that means job security for police, lawyers, court employes and the owners of private prisons. It's also more expensive. Where does that money come from? Is your position, "More for prisons and less for welfare and healthcare"?
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How is pointing out the utter incompetence of the administration and it's utter failure to contain costs while providing a fraction of coverage of other systems not an argument? The fact is the ACA by itself will not reduce costs and increase the standard of care.

Do you understand the basic concept of scarcity?
One more time, more of the same isn't acceptable. What's your solution?
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Old 11-17-2013, 09:13   #229
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One more time, more of the same isn't acceptable.......
But "worse" is?!
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Old 11-17-2013, 09:13   #230
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One more time, more of the same isn't acceptable. What's your solution?
More of the same what? Free enterprise? So you are saying free enterprise isn't acceptable? OK, maybe you should relocate to China.

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One more time, more of the same isn't acceptable. What's your solution?
Before Barry started tinkering with healthcare, there was a safety net for the elderly and poor. Many people had insurance. Most that didn't, either didn't want it, or spent their money on other things.

It wasn't perfect, but it was a lot better than it is now.
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Old 11-17-2013, 09:23   #232
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Muscogee,

Maybe we should just give all the poor people a check every month to purchase health insurance. BUT, we cut them a check and they can use it to purchase whatever they want.

We can treat them like adult free men and women and if they decide to buy drugs, liquor, or an uptown apartment with the money it is on them. In other words, maybe it's time we stop treating them like children.

In turn the hospitals can treat the people that have the means to pay. The others, who choose to spend the money elsewhere can figure out how to get healthcare somewhere else.

Does that sound fair?

Or do you think these poor souls need you to tell them what to do with their money? That somehow, you are better than them and God has put you here to protect them from themselves?

This is a perfect illustration of how your utopia steals the dignity of men and the unbelievable arrogance of the left.

The more you do for people, the less they are able to do for themselves. The lives of the people you purportedly want to help are going to continue to get worse and the helpless become more helpless with every new version of your social programs.

Maybe, just maybe, if we stopped "helping" so much, these people would start looking for work and maybe they would even demand an end to illegal immigration like some of the rest of us. Maybe they would start to help themselves. If they did I would feel a lot better about giving them a hand.

Truth is, you are all about taking away freedom.

Per Radar O'reilly, "That is all".

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But "worse" is?!
Your solution?
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Old 11-17-2013, 09:27   #234
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Do us all a favor and vote for someone besides Lindsey Graham in the primary next time.

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I agree. Jim Nabors...I mean Lindsay Graham has to go!
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One more time, more of the same isn't acceptable. What's your solution?
One more time, Socialists demand to be judged on their pure-hearted () intentions rather than on the actual results. One more time. Not going to fly here on GT. Odumbo, Nanzi Pelosi and Scary Greed broke the healthcare system. Obama lied. Healthcare died.
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Obama lied. Healthcare died.
Definitely sig line worthy!

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Your solution?
Lower costs by allowing portability of policies across state lines and across jobs.

If someone has a single game console, internet service, cable tv, a tv, or any other luxuries in their home, and their child does not have health insurance, charge them with neglect.

Accept the facts.
1. health care is a commodity.
2. People should be responsible for themselves.
3. Poor people already had a safety net.
4. The elderly already had a safety net.
5. Everyone dies at least once. A basic level of first aid and comfort care should be available to all.
6. Stealing is wrong even, when you get Barry to do it for you.
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Old 11-17-2013, 10:17   #238
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Therefore what?
Therefore respond to Posts #191 and #204.
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More of the same what? Free enterprise? So you are saying free enterprise isn't acceptable? OK, maybe you should relocate to China.

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Don't bother. I demolished him in a couple threads a few years ago when he was spouting the virtues of Germany's social programs. When pressed musc's brain, or lack thereof, implodes.
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Old 11-17-2013, 10:32   #240
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so how do people who can get insurance accept responsibility for their own health care?
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you pay for what you use.
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and if you can't pay you turn to crime to get the money.
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where did that come from?
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obviously the victim of the crime.
so...
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and if you can't pay you turn to crime to get the money.
...comes from the victim of the crime.

When were you a victim, muscogee?
Sorry to hear about that.
What happened?
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Of course that means job security for police, lawyers, court employes and the owners of private prisons. It's also more expensive. Where does that money come from? Is your position, "more for prisons and less for welfare and healthcare"?
Looks like you read my post before posting...
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Wait, I get it...turn to crime, get arrested, convicted, then receive your shelter, food, medical care, all while surrounded by your like minded brethren. And you get paid, too.

Sorry I missed your point earlier...
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Old 11-21-2013, 20:07   #241
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One more time, more of the same isn't acceptable. What's your solution?
Admit that the war on poverty is lost, send the troops home.

Seriously; you can't get it right in 50 years you should loose your social engineering licence.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:05   #242
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Take a look at this thread - the OP lives in the nation that leads the world in health care. We are the people who cure the diseases and develop the drugs for the world. Yet he claims that we apparently have a choice between Obamacre and "no care." WTF? Has this guy ever lived in the U.S.?
Basically Obama cares about people and their health care, and the mixed up health care system.

The Republicans that control the Republican Party (1%ers) care about their personnel wealth......." No care" about other people and their health. You can never have too much money is the motto they live by.......even if they are helping China to become the greatest nation in the world.

No care for the U.S.A., but 100% care for "their" $$$$$$$$.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:14   #243
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Basically Obama cares about people and their health care, and the mixed up health care system.

The Republicans that control the Republican Party (1%ers) care about their personnel wealth......." No care" about other people and their health. You can never have too much money is the motto they live by.......even if they are helping China to become the greatest nation in the world.

No care for the U.S.A., but 100% care for "their" $$$$$$$$.
I take it you have sold all of your personal belongings and have given all of your money to help the poor then, right?

It's either that or you want to force other people to give what they have earned away and keep what you have earned for yourself.

Come on. Pony up. Show us how much YOU care.
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Basically Obama cares about people and their health care, and the mixed up health care system.

The Republicans that control the Republican Party (1%ers) care about their personnel wealth......." No care" about other people and their health. You can never have too much money is the motto they live by.......even if they are helping China to become the greatest nation in the world.

No care for the U.S.A., but 100% care for "their" $$$$$$$$.
Just how many one percenter's do you think post here. Obamacare takes needed money from the middle class to give to other people. The poor already had a health care safety net. Obamacare cut deeply into that. Now it looks like several million people are going to lose their healthcare, because of obamacare.

Thousands of medical providers are being dropped from plans, limiting access to Medicare and Medicaid treatment.

Many people will be dropped from the payroll or cut back to 29 hours a week to comply with obamacare while trying to keep a business running at all.

Obamacare was a piss poor plan with piss poor execution, and all kinds of unintended consequences.

Obama and everyone that voted for it are responsible.


The only two reasons I can think of that anyone would support this plan are:
1. Unconditional Obamalove.
2. They stand to get them some OPM (other people's money).

Can you think of any other reasons?
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:25   #245
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Basically Obama cares about people and their health care, and the mixed up health care system.

The Republicans that control the Republican Party (1%ers) care about their personnel wealth......." No care" about other people and their health. You can never have too much money is the motto they live by.......even if they are helping China to become the greatest nation in the world.

No care for the U.S.A., but 100% care for "their" $$$$$$$$.
If Obama cared about people and their health care he would have never saddled us with Obamacare. Instead, he would have reformed some of the health insurance regulations and let the market do it's thing.

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Once again Natsos demand to be judged by their professed intentions rather than by results. Natsos dump billions of dollars into poor neighborhoods to help the poor, yet half a century later there are even more poor. Failure. Natsos say they are for equality and equal rights, yet push for quotas and endless affirmative action policies that judge people based on skin color and sex, rather than on ability. Failure. Natsos say they want strong families, yet Natso policies encourage out-of-wedlock births, absentee fathers, teenage motherhood, and lifetime dependence on the government for aid. Failure. Natsos say they want cheaper, universal, high-quality healthcare for all, yet their policies will raise costs, lower quality, and leave millions uncovered by any health insurance plan. Failure.

How many Natso failures does it take to burst the bubble? We have yet to discover that, because Natsos are blinded by ideology and hatred, and never let facts get in the way of their religion. Liberalism has caused more misery in this country than every other cause in the past century and a half combined. Only slave-owning Democrats in the South caused more suffering, but their Democrat descendants are working overtime to catch up.
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yep indeed, i was perfectly happy with my insurance..low deductibles and premiums. Tort reform, competition across state lines, better group plans,. healthcare is not a right, just like a car,housing,food, water etc.
So, we should do away with the federal mandate that ERs have to proved care, regardless of ability to pay?

I'd be open to having that discussion....
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I take it you have sold all of your personal belongings and have given all of your money to help the poor then, right?

It's either that or you want to force other people to give what they have earned away and keep what you have earned for yourself.

Come on. Pony up. Show us how much YOU care.
The poor should have the opportunity to take care of themselves. The billionaires have WAY more excess money than I do. It just upsets me that the super rich bribe the politicians into helping their greed. The laws of the land, that they push through, favor the super rich, at the expense of the shrinking middle class.
You are just buying into thinking you are one of them. They throw you just enough crumbs, to get your vote.
The poor have nothing, so they have nothing to lose.
The billionaire rich have the politicians in their pocket.
The shrinking middle class gets the short end of the stick.
When the middle class disappears, the crap will really hit the fan.
We are just starting to feel the consequences of this greed.
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So, we should do away with the federal mandate that ERs have to proved care, regardless of ability to pay?

I'd be open to having that discussion....
I think yes.
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Basically Obama cares about people and their health care, and the mixed up health care system.

The Republicans that control the Republican Party (1%ers) care about their personnel wealth......." No care" about other people and their health. You can never have too much money is the motto they live by.......even if they are helping China to become the greatest nation in the world.

No care for the U.S.A., but 100% care for "their" $$$$$$$$.
Good thing Obama and the Democrat leadership are not millionaires.


Oh. Wait. . . .


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..... The laws of the land, that they push through, favor the super rich, at the expense of the shrinking middle class......
Perhaps, if you provided some examples . . .
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