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Old 11-17-2013, 05:35   #221
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UnitedHealth drops thousands of doctors from insurance plans: WSJ

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The hits keep on coming.

Who's throwing granny off the cliff now?


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Perhaps President Obama and the Democrats are learning that private business is not required to operate at a loss at the whim of the US government.
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Old 11-17-2013, 07:27   #223
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Perhaps President Obama and the Democrats are learning that private business is not required to operate at a loss at the whim of the US government.
Why not, the government does it all the time.
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Old 11-17-2013, 07:48   #224
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And if you can't pay you turn to crime to get the money.
Wait, I get it...turn to crime, get arrested, convicted, then receive your shelter, food, medical care, all while surrounded by your like minded brethren. And you get paid, too.

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As best I can tell, muscogee comes here every day and shows that he does not understand even the most basic economic concepts. he and a few others, like the threads OP, seem to be the only ones who don't know that.

If these people would take a high school level economics class and actually understand what they are taught, they'd be embarrassed by what they post here, as well as their votes in the last election.

Take a look at this thread - the OP lives in the nation that leads the world in health care. We are the people who cure the diseases and develop the drugs for the world. Yet he claims that we apparently have a choice between Obamacre and "no care." WTF? Has this guy ever lived in the U.S.? What did people do for healthcare last year?

I posted the fact that even when unemployed and/or poor I have never had any difficulty getting any medical care in the U.S. since the day I was born, but he didn't respond. It would be typical of the type that they have no actual experience with being poor, unemployed or uninsured, which is why they are willing to believe the lies they are fed.
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Old 11-17-2013, 09:54   #226
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As Doc said, you have left many, many, many, many questions out there unanswered.
Therefore what?
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Where did that come from?
Obviously the victim of the crime. Of course that means job security for police, lawyers, court employes and the owners of private prisons. It's also more expensive. Where does that money come from? Is your position, "More for prisons and less for welfare and healthcare"?
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How is pointing out the utter incompetence of the administration and it's utter failure to contain costs while providing a fraction of coverage of other systems not an argument? The fact is the ACA by itself will not reduce costs and increase the standard of care.

Do you understand the basic concept of scarcity?
One more time, more of the same isn't acceptable. What's your solution?
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One more time, more of the same isn't acceptable.......
But "worse" is?!
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One more time, more of the same isn't acceptable. What's your solution?
More of the same what? Free enterprise? So you are saying free enterprise isn't acceptable? OK, maybe you should relocate to China.

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Old 11-17-2013, 10:15   #231
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One more time, more of the same isn't acceptable. What's your solution?
Before Barry started tinkering with healthcare, there was a safety net for the elderly and poor. Many people had insurance. Most that didn't, either didn't want it, or spent their money on other things.

It wasn't perfect, but it was a lot better than it is now.
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Muscogee,

Maybe we should just give all the poor people a check every month to purchase health insurance. BUT, we cut them a check and they can use it to purchase whatever they want.

We can treat them like adult free men and women and if they decide to buy drugs, liquor, or an uptown apartment with the money it is on them. In other words, maybe it's time we stop treating them like children.

In turn the hospitals can treat the people that have the means to pay. The others, who choose to spend the money elsewhere can figure out how to get healthcare somewhere else.

Does that sound fair?

Or do you think these poor souls need you to tell them what to do with their money? That somehow, you are better than them and God has put you here to protect them from themselves?

This is a perfect illustration of how your utopia steals the dignity of men and the unbelievable arrogance of the left.

The more you do for people, the less they are able to do for themselves. The lives of the people you purportedly want to help are going to continue to get worse and the helpless become more helpless with every new version of your social programs.

Maybe, just maybe, if we stopped "helping" so much, these people would start looking for work and maybe they would even demand an end to illegal immigration like some of the rest of us. Maybe they would start to help themselves. If they did I would feel a lot better about giving them a hand.

Truth is, you are all about taking away freedom.

Per Radar O'reilly, "That is all".

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But "worse" is?!
Your solution?
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Old 11-17-2013, 10:27   #234
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Do us all a favor and vote for someone besides Lindsey Graham in the primary next time.

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I agree. Jim Nabors...I mean Lindsay Graham has to go!
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One more time, more of the same isn't acceptable. What's your solution?
One more time, Socialists demand to be judged on their pure-hearted () intentions rather than on the actual results. One more time. Not going to fly here on GT. Odumbo, Nanzi Pelosi and Scary Greed broke the healthcare system. Obama lied. Healthcare died.
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Obama lied. Healthcare died.
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Your solution?
Lower costs by allowing portability of policies across state lines and across jobs.

If someone has a single game console, internet service, cable tv, a tv, or any other luxuries in their home, and their child does not have health insurance, charge them with neglect.

Accept the facts.
1. health care is a commodity.
2. People should be responsible for themselves.
3. Poor people already had a safety net.
4. The elderly already had a safety net.
5. Everyone dies at least once. A basic level of first aid and comfort care should be available to all.
6. Stealing is wrong even, when you get Barry to do it for you.
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Therefore what?
Therefore respond to Posts #191 and #204.
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More of the same what? Free enterprise? So you are saying free enterprise isn't acceptable? OK, maybe you should relocate to China.

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Don't bother. I demolished him in a couple threads a few years ago when he was spouting the virtues of Germany's social programs. When pressed musc's brain, or lack thereof, implodes.
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so how do people who can get insurance accept responsibility for their own health care?
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where did that come from?
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obviously the victim of the crime.
so...
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and if you can't pay you turn to crime to get the money.
...comes from the victim of the crime.

When were you a victim, muscogee?
Sorry to hear about that.
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Of course that means job security for police, lawyers, court employes and the owners of private prisons. It's also more expensive. Where does that money come from? Is your position, "more for prisons and less for welfare and healthcare"?
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Wait, I get it...turn to crime, get arrested, convicted, then receive your shelter, food, medical care, all while surrounded by your like minded brethren. And you get paid, too.

Sorry I missed your point earlier...
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