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Old 08-08-2014, 19:18   #1
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is .40 s@w as snappy as .357 mag ?

most peaple say the .40 s@w is snappier than the .45 acp ,is a .40 s@W in a 5 "barrel as snappy as a .357 revolver in a 4 " barrel ?how do they compare?...have a .357 ,9-mm and .45 just wondering if i need a .40 ,and what to expect ,.i have read were alot of peaple like a 45 but not the 40,because it is to snappy
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Old 08-08-2014, 19:55   #2
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Two totally different platforms. It's apples to carburetors with many variants. There is no general all inclusive answer.
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Old 08-08-2014, 20:31   #3
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Two totally different platforms. It's apples to carburetors with many variants. There is no general all inclusive answer.
I agree. It's very difficult to compare the subjective sensation of recoil (how it "feels") in a revolver and an autoloader. Part of the problem is the sharp "all-at-once-right-NOW" feeling of magnum revolver recoil, vs. the spread-out-over-time "push" of an auto. How each handgun sits in the hand, differences in bore height, and the grip material also play roles in subjective feel.

I'll say that to me, the .40 "feels" much more controllable to me than a .357 Magnum revolver, and when you add the advantages of the autoloading pistol platform (capacity, practical accuracy over a DA revolver, fast reloads), it's hard to beat. If the .45 you own is the same manufacturer and style as the .40 you are considering (both Glocks, for instance), you could load the .45 with the hottest-loaded light-bullet-weight +P load you can find, and that level of recoil will be similar to the .40 in the same size pistol. Not exactly the same, though, as the Glock .45 has a wider grip which spreads the recoil energy over a wider area of your hand, but it would be close.

In all cases with full-powered defensive-type ammo, in full-size or G34/G35-size Glocks, I find only a slight increase in recoil and recovery time over a similar 9mm Glock. In the compact models (G23/G19), the difference gets more noticeable, and rapid-fire times and/or accuracy starts to suffer. In the sub-compact Glocks, I find the .40 rather obnoxious, although it's still much more controllable than a 2.5" barreled .357 Magnum revolver, and FAR easier to shoot both rapidly and accurately. I was never much of a .40 fan, but as a firearms instructor, I decided I needed to get and shoot and keep at least one so I could speak knowledgeably about it under circumstances like these. I ended up with several, but given the choice, it's going to be a 9mm on my person on the occasion I walk out the door armed.

One additional note: If you like the .357 magnum 125 grain cartridge's performance in a revolver, then a .357 SIG-caliber Glock will give you that same performance in an easier and much-more-comfortable-to-shoot auto. If you buy a .40, you could buy a .357 SIG-caliber barrel later, and drop it right in to your .40 Glock, for a dual-caliber option.



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Old 08-08-2014, 20:40   #4
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I can shoot a .40 G22 all day long, but am ready to put a 357 mag. down when the 50 round box is empty.
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Old 08-08-2014, 20:52   #5
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I feel like the impulse of the .40 is sharp and fast whereas the .357 may have a greater amplitude but is longer and slower in it's push against me. If that makes sense. For example-

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Old 08-08-2014, 21:00   #6
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.40 out of a compact polymer framed gun like the G27 is vicious IMO. .357mag out of a S&W 686 is no problem. .357mag out of a J frame snubby is downright painful. So, it really depends on what you are shooting it out of.

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Old 08-08-2014, 21:11   #7
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I own neither calibers but all the .40S&W pistols I've shot had a harsh recoil compared to the 4" Smith & Wesson/Ruger .357 Magnum revolvers loaded with full power ammo.

I'm just not hatin' .40S&W because I know it's effective; I just can't warm up to its shooting characteristics compared to the other calibers closely resembling its ballistics.
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Old 08-08-2014, 21:24   #8
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You don't "need" a .40. Maybe you "want" one?

Whenever I feel like a handgun is too snappy, recoily, whatever, I just dump a few dozen 12 gauge buckshots downrange. Handguns feel like cap guns after that!

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Old 08-08-2014, 21:28   #9
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My G27 feels just fine, I enjoy shooting it just as much as the 23

The ergonomics of a Glock is very good IMO, while some of others are not so good, I have a brother that has a Taurus 24/7 in .40sw, he let my wife shoot it a few years back and she swore she would never shoot a .40sw again, I talked her into shooting my G23 a week ago and she never mentioned recoil.
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Old 08-08-2014, 22:02   #10
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I own neither calibers but all the .40S&W pistols I've shot had a harsh recoil compared to the 4" Smith & Wesson/Ruger .357 Magnum revolvers loaded with full power ammo.

I'm just not hatin' .40S&W because I know it's effective; I just can't warm up to its shooting characteristics compared to the other calibers closely resembling its ballistics.
I'm not a fan of the cartridge either. I do own several of them, but nothing like my 9mms and 45ACPs.
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Old 08-08-2014, 23:59   #11
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If you already have a 9mm and a .45, you should definitely get the .40 if you want a good SD pistol. The others make good range and fun guns to keep your skills sharp, just depends on what the gun will be used for, buy and use according to need.

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Old 08-09-2014, 00:18   #12
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357 is harsher. Is that a word? More harsh.

When people say 40 is more snappy including myself. The recoil isn't hard. For me I get a very quick snap muzzle flip.

I can shoot 40 all day. 357 only in a large frame.

I've posted before that I don't like my G27. I can shoot it fine. Aim. Bang. Good shot.

If I go bang bang or three quick. The follow ups aren't as accurate as say a 9 or 45 for me.

The 40 impulse is very quick. Not really hard at all.
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Old 08-09-2014, 00:47   #13
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I recently shot an entire box of 38 special through my Smith 360 pd, along with 5 full power Buffalo Bore 357 mags. I shot it back and forth between my 29, 30, 17l , and a 35. I have no doubt in my mind that the 357 is way snappier then any of the above. Some factors that play in this case, 12 at the most ouce revolver with some fire breathing bear stopper ammo, versus 23 plus ounce plastic guns wich fire nothing that compares to the 357.
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Old 08-09-2014, 07:08   #14
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I can shoot a .40 G22 all day long, but am ready to put a 357 mag. down when the 50 round box is empty.
Opposite for me.

I can shoot .357 all day long.

.40 S&W just annoys me.
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Old 08-09-2014, 21:33   #15
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I prefer 357 out of a 4" 686 than 40 out of a semi. I just can't get used to the "double impulse" of the semi auto. Didn't care for the browning A5 for the same reason. To answer your question, the recoil of the 40 seems less, given a glock 23 and 4" 686.
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Old 08-09-2014, 22:59   #16
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My 8" 357 magnum firing full powder 158 grain loads likes a lot more than my Beretta 96 shooting factory ammo.



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Old 08-10-2014, 13:13   #17
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Both kick more than a 9mm, both work better than a 9mm. Recoil is subjective but neither 40 or 357 in several platforms are uncontrollable if you have more than girlish hand/wrist strength. My petite GF shoots everygun I have and can handle them all including 45 ACP's, 357's, 44's and a 454.
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Old 08-11-2014, 01:23   #18
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As has been noted, totally gun specific. A hvy 4" n-fame is pretty easy o shoot well, a g27 with sd loads, it so much.
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Old 08-11-2014, 02:26   #19
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I don't feel what others are saying about the .40 S&W. I've shot all of the available calibers on the market through semi-autos and the .40 is my favorite. I don't have a problem controlling it and I'm able to get follow up shots quite easy. Now is it different from the 9MM? Of course. Does it feel different from the .45 ACP? Yes. Snappy, harsh, uncontrollable? Not for me. IMO It's just different just like a 22LR is different from a 9MM. Now shoot a .50 caliber pistol and I'll agree. That bad boy is SNAPPY! I agree there is a different recoil felt with revolvers, but then again I shoot revolvers a bit different than my pistols. But here is some food for thought. My 10 year old son feels the 9MM is snappy. Go figure.

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Old 08-11-2014, 07:48   #20
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If I compare two of the smallest guns in each that I've owned and shot, say a S&W MP340 vs. Kahr CM40, the .357 was WAAAAAAY worse to shoot.

I had a MP360 that wasn't quite as bad, but even then it was also worse. I fired some standard 125gr and 158gr .357 Mag through that MP340 and my right hand ached for two days solid.

The CM40 by comparison is tame, even shooting 180gr bullets to 1100 fps from the 3" bbl the recoil doesn't leave my hands feeling bad (and my G27 is even easier). Now if the .40's had been coming from the same platform as the MP340 then I'm sure it would have been amplified somewhat, and likewise if the .357's were coming from a semi auto then they would have felt much less sharp (I had a 3" SP101 at one point but the recoil, even with full house .357's, wasn't bad at all, but it's a good bit heavier and a larger revolver than a J-frame as well).

I guess my point is that recoil really depends on platform as much as anything else, even different platforms of similar size/weight.
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