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07-14-2012, 05:39
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I am amazed at people on other gun boards that think this is nothing to worry about. It's the first time the us has been on board to pass this.
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07-14-2012, 14:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DNS
I am amazed at people on other gun boards that think this is nothing to worry about. It's the first time the us has been on board to pass this.
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Because this isn't the first time. Bill Clinton signed a Small Arms Treaty back in 1997 and it was, and still is today, DOA in the Senate.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying not to be vigilant. We need to watch this thing like a hawk and I encourage all to contact your states senators. If you're currently not a member of the NRA or some other pro-gun organization, now is a good time to think about joining. This needs to go away.
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07-15-2012, 11:00
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Maybe I'm just another disinfranchised American? Not just because of the ATT fiasco, but with the erosion and liberties taken with our constitutional rights in general. Doesn't make for a warm fuzzy feeling!
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07-15-2012, 11:31
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People immigrated to this country in droves to escape over bearing governments. We got no where else to go folks. The PEOPLE need to draw a line in the sand.
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07-18-2012, 10:59
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Why is everyone of the OP's posts deleted?
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I also had no need for NV, so I went with the 512. As far as the submersion, if I'm 10 feet under water and still holding onto my rifle, something has gone terribly awry and I don't think an extra 23 feet is going to matter to me. YMMV
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07-18-2012, 12:14
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Evidently "he" deleted them all.
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07-18-2012, 15:56
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Location: Indiana
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NMPOPS
Here we go again. This will never pass in the US Senate. It's the same old regurgitated stuff.
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Hopefully it won't pass the senate. But to help insure it does not, please consider signing a petition at www.dickmorris.com
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07-19-2012, 17:21
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There are only two ways to beat the Treaty and its threat of UN imposed gun control – take back the Senate or beat Obama.
The fact that the NRA has succeeded in getting fifty-eight Senators to sign on opposing the Treaty is irrelevant. If Harry Reid won’t bring it up on the floor, it won’t get a vote. And, in the absence of Senate disapproval or a renunciation by the president, the United States is bound by the Treaty under the provisions of the Vienna Convention which we have both signed and ratified.
Nor will the Second Amendment offer us any protection. The Supremacy Clause in our own Constitution provides that treaties are the “law of the land” akin to a constitutional provision.
The answer is to beat Obama and give the Republicans a majority in the Senate. Either will suffice to kill the Treaty. A Republican majority leader would certainly bring the Treaty up for a vote and it would certainly be defeated, ending its power over the U.S. and a President Romney will doubtless renounce the Treaty on taking office.
Voting for anti-gun control Democratic candidates for Senate won’t work. Their leader would refuse to bring the Treaty up for a vote, regardless of how his members felt.
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07-19-2012, 19:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Acujeff
There are only two ways to beat the Treaty and its threat of UN imposed gun control – take back the Senate or beat Obama.
The fact that the NRA has succeeded in getting fifty-eight Senators to sign on opposing the Treaty is irrelevant. If Harry Reid won’t bring it up on the floor, it won’t get a vote. And, in the absence of Senate disapproval or a renunciation by the president, the United States is bound by the Treaty under the provisions of the Vienna Convention which we have both signed and ratified.
Nor will the Second Amendment offer us any protection. The Supremacy Clause in our own Constitution provides that treaties are the “law of the land” akin to a constitutional provision.
The answer is to beat Obama and give the Republicans a majority in the Senate. Either will suffice to kill the Treaty. A Republican majority leader would certainly bring the Treaty up for a vote and it would certainly be defeated, ending its power over the U.S. and a President Romney will doubtless renounce the Treaty on taking office.
Voting for anti-gun control Democratic candidates for Senate won’t work. Their leader would refuse to bring the Treaty up for a vote, regardless of how his members felt.
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Bingo! Great Post!
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07-19-2012, 21:42
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Originally Posted by tim12232
Why is everyone of the OP's posts deleted?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry
Evidently "he" deleted them all.
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Well gosh golly jee whiz that makes it hard for his thread to be read by others?! 
some people....
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I also had no need for NV, so I went with the 512. As far as the submersion, if I'm 10 feet under water and still holding onto my rifle, something has gone terribly awry and I don't think an extra 23 feet is going to matter to me. YMMV
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07-20-2012, 11:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tim12232
Well gosh golly jee whiz that makes it hard for his thread to be read by others?! 
some people....
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People post "crap" then have to take it back. I know because my brother's girlfriend's brother's friend's cousin's friend's Mercenary uncle told him so.
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Liberal: Someone who is so open-minded their brains have fallen out.
Guns are not dangerous, people are.
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07-20-2012, 16:47
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Location: Austin, Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasFats
I wonder if all of the people who pooh-pooh the dangers of this treaty are merely sticking their heads in the sand, ostrich-like, or if some of them are moles of the Brady bunch and other leftist organizations.
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I'm sure a little of both.
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