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Old 11-03-2009, 16:52   #1
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Accused of harassment & FIRED after expressing opinion...

...even though lesbian repeatedly approached him.


A Massachusetts man has been fired from his sales position at the Logan Airport branch in Boston of Brookstone allegedly for telling a female manager that his Christian faith says homosexuality is wrong.

Peter Vadala was fired, and the company says he violated a tolerance policy. But Vadala reports his dismissal came because he expressed his Christian view of homosexuality after a female manager made repeated references, as she approached him four times during work hours, to her plans to marry her lesbian partner.

"At the start of the day, she told me she was getting married. I told her 'Congratulations,' and asked, 'Where's he taking you on your honeymoon?'" Vadala said.

"She replied that her partner was a 'she,'" he continued, "So I immediately tried to change the subject.

"I think she knew I was uncomfortable talking about it," he continued. "But, she brought it up to me three more times during the day.

"After the fourth time she told me about her plan to marry her partner, I told her, 'I think homosexuality is bad stuff,'" Vadala said.

"That's what I said. I wasn't rude about it and I didn't act disrespectfully to her," he said. "All the woman said to me as she left the store was, 'Human Resources buddy. You keep your opinions to yourself!'"

Vadala said when he was hired he went through the company's training program, including a requirement to watch a video.

"In the video, there was a homosexual man who said he overheard two workers talking. One man in the outsourced video tells the other, 'If a homosexual man hits on me, he better watch out.'

“The homosexual man in the video said he was offended, but I'm not allowed to be offended by a homosexual ... I was told that since homosexual marriage is supposedly legal in Massachusetts, that I was wrong for being offended," Vadala said.

A Brookstone human resources staffer called a few days after the incident and Vadala said he told the caller he wanted to resolve the matter.

"I spoke to (the human resources staff member) and I wanted to resolve it. I said that for his sake, the matter needed be resolved because this manager will be around customers who, chances are, will be offended by the types of things she is saying," Vadala said

But during the course of the conversation Vadala said it became clear the call wasn't about resolving the issue.

It was a few days later Vadala received a termination letter from Brookstone.

The letter accused Vadala of "harassment" and described his comments as "inappropriate and unprofessional." Further, the letter charged, he was "imposing" his beliefs upon others.

Vadala said the letter from Brookstone, signed by Susan McGrath, contained numerous false accusations.

In a copy made available to WND, the letter reads, “You acknowledge that you then expressed to Ms. (name blacked out) that you disagreed strongly with her homosexual lifestyle and that [you] believe it is wrong. You describe it in your statement, as you did when speaking with me, as 'deviant.'"

But Vadala said he didn't use that word.

McGrath's letter further asserts that a sales associate "who was working with you at the time … provided a written statement indicating that while she did not witness the conversation … you did tell her later that you 'knew (she) is marrying another woman' and that you 'hate people like that.'"

Vadala reports he also did not say that.

McGrath refused WND's request to comment on the dispute. Instead she suggested Brookstone’s legal department be contacted. That department did not respond.

When contacted about the firing, store manager Katelyn Woodard said, "You need to speak to human resources about this and if you call this number again, I'll file harassment charges."

Vadala said it's clear to him he was fired for his faith.

"Absolutely," he confirmed.


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Old 11-03-2009, 16:55   #2
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If you value your job, leave religion / personal beliefs out of work. Goes both ways for the female boss and the male subordinate.

I never discuss religion or guns or anything else potentially sensitive with co-workers. It's just work.
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When contacted about the firing, store manager Katelyn Woodard said, "You need to speak to human resources about this and if you call this number again, I'll file harassment charges."
Someone please tell me where the number is. I also smell a boycott in the near future.
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He should have have held is opinions to himself and told the lady he didn't care who or what she brought home. She was setting him up for this and got the reaction she had hoped.
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Someone please tell me where the number is. I also smell a boycott in the near future.
I don't think 99% of america can afford to shop at those places as is. I don't know how they even stay in business. Must be the one guy who buys the 3000$ massaging chair once a month.
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Old 11-03-2009, 17:23   #6
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So she brings up the subject 4 times and the one time he comments on it, she gets offended? What about HIS RIGHTS to be free from Homo's harassing him.
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Free speech isn't free anymore. It's only OK if it doesn't offend anyone or make "waves". The First Ammendment is gone. The Second is next.
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Free speech isn't free anymore. It's only OK if it doesn't offend anyone or make "waves". The First Ammendment is gone. The Second is next.
Nothing to do with free speech. He was free to speak, and he was also free to be fired.

Is it right? Probably not, but the world ain't always just.
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Since Obama signed the Defense Authorization bill with hate crimes legislation in it, she's just trying to do a press-to-test. Who knows, w/him getting canned, there might be a ton of money in it for her...
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Christians should remember they are going to be persecuted for their beliefs, always... And it ain't gonna get any better. Until you know when!
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Nothing to do with free speech. He was free to speak, and he was also free to be fired.

Is it right? Probably not, but the world ain't always just.
Do you have a lick of common sense or decency??

How could you even try to paint this story as anything other than mean-spirited prejudice against what used to be common moral values in this country?

Are you happy with the extreme shift in right and wrong that is going on in society??
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What I really want to know is if simply having the opinion he has, was the crime, or is a person really allowed to have the opinion, as long as it never gets expressed.

I think she knew his opinion and set him up. Surely somebody already told her something about this guy's mindset on such things, but either way the lady is being too much of a crybaby about it, and I'm tired of people being able to get co-workers fired this way. Surely she would have been allowed to tell him that his religion is a load of crap if she wanted to, and would probably have screamed that her right to free speech was violated if she were NOT allowed to tell him such things. Her thoughts on his religion (and her perceived need to stamp it out) was probably the reason she set out to get him fired in the first place.
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So she brings up the subject 4 times and the one time he comments on it, she gets offended? What about HIS RIGHTS to be free from Homo's harassing him.
Thanks for the laugh!!!!
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That's pronounced bless- ed.

I'd rather hear have a nice day than one more have a bless-ed day. Especially on voice mail messages.

Moving right along.

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Since Obama signed the Defense Authorization bill with hate crimes legislation in it, she's just trying to do a press-to-test. Who knows, w/him getting canned, there might be a ton of money in it for her...
That's right!! Could be that he just committed a hate crime, and is now liable for damages - in the form of money, of course.
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Do you have a lick of common sense or decency??

How could you even try to paint this story as anything other than mean-spirited prejudice against what used to be common moral values in this country?

Are you happy with the extreme shift in right and wrong that is going on in society??
Please spare me. Office politics happens every day. This is nothing compared to the crap I've seen.

If this gets your panties in a knot you have not worked in many of the workplace settings.

I've seen people get fired because they wore the wrong thing to work that pissed off a supervisor.

Life ain't just. You just gotta get over it. If you're gonna get upset over this, there's a billion other workplaces injustice you will get worked over.

You either shrug and move on, or you get bogged worried about life not being perfect.

End of the day, work is about bringing home a paycheck. You do what you gotta do to outlast the other idiots at work. If you get bent out of shape over anything else you may as well just go start your own company because you ain't gonna make it in most places as an employee.
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Do you have a lick of common sense or decency??

How could you even try to paint this story as anything other than mean-spirited prejudice against what used to be common moral values in this country?

Are you happy with the extreme shift in right and wrong that is going on in society??

My feelings exactly
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"I think she knew I was uncomfortable talking about it," he continued. "But, she brought it up to me three more times during the day."
Looks like they both violated the tolerance policy. Talking about personal things at work never ends well anyway. She kept reiterating seemingly to find whether he was accepting of her beliefs, so she was pushing her beliefs on him.
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Looks like they both violated the tolerance policy. Talking about personal things at work never ends well anyway.
Some people have a naive idea that the world is always perfect, and no sins go unpunished.

Unfortunately in the ugly world of office politics, rarely are things just. Personal connections / favortism / luck have a lot more to do with success than talent / hard work in many places.

In this case a supervisor and a subordinate both messed up. Unfortunately for the subordinate he got the shaft. Such is life.

When you are at the bottom of the ladder the poop falls down on you. It's life.

Hopefully he'll learn this valuable lesson and learn to keep his trap shut next time. Only when he as reached the higher rungs of the ladder can he then poop on other people, right or wrong.
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He was rightfully terminated. I am not saying he wasn't baited but regardless he took it hook, line and sinker as the saying goes. If he was offended by her actions then he should have kept his mouth shut and taken it to human resources. Granted we are only getting a little bit of this story, I am sure there's more.
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bhahaha! nobody noticed that it's exactly her who's harassed the guy in this story??? hmmm some left balls kicking lost if anything.
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bhahaha! nobody noticed that it's exactly her who's harassed the guy in this story??? hmmm some left balls kicking lost if anything.
Lesbian bosses are the worst. Never frock with one...you'll get bit every time.

I worked for one once, and I was terrified of her. And I'm generally not afraid of anyone. They've got more balls than most guys I know.
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He needs to lawyer up and sue. He was wronged.Homosexuality is viewed as a "deviant" behavior in the Bible. She was wrong by talking about her "partner". But this is a sign of "Obamanation".
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He needs to lawyer up and sue. He was wronged.Homosexuality is viewed as a "deviant" behavior in the Bible. She was wrong by talking about her "partner". But this is a sign of "Obamanation".
Sue for what? The lesbian boss is going to have her side of the story, that she was horrified when she was approached by the subordinate who told her that she was immoral for being a lesbian.

It's going to be a case of he said / she said. No lawyer is going to touch this case because the chances of winning are virtually none.

Sometimes you just gotta move on. Generally there is no winning when you get run over by the office politics machine.
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Sue for what? The lesbian boss is going to have her side of the story, that she was horrified when she was approached by the subordinate who told her that she was immoral for being a lesbian.

It's going to be a case of he said / she said. No lawyer is going to touch this case because the chances of winning are virtually none.

Sometimes you just gotta move on. Generally there is no winning when you get run over by the office politics machine.
I would pursue the case for him if I was in that state. A Federal case of wrongful termination and discrimination based upon his religion. She approached him and told him that she was marrying her "partner". Being tolerant only means you don't shoot them. It does not mean that you have to like it or agree when it is forced upon you.
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