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Old 05-17-2013, 15:59   #1
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Microstamping on Brass

Came across this today. Looks like Cali is moving towards requiring semi auto handguns to have microstamping on the parts (firing pin) to make traceable spent brass. Will be interesting to see how long it takes for the spent microstamped brass to show up.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/ag...013-BOF-03.pdf

It may not be right to punish everyone in CA but I would like to see the gun companies actually stand up against Cali's BS laws and rufuse to sell any guns to California, LE included. This crap has a way of trickling down to other states and being pushed by the Antis.
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Old 05-17-2013, 16:10   #2
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There are very few 'new' guns being added to the roster so, as a practical matter, the microstamping won't be an issue for quite a while.

We already can't get any 'new' 1911s and we can't get Gen 4 Glocks and we probably have as much variety as we'll ever get.

The entire 'unsafe gun' thing needs to be overturned. I think the Second Amendment Foundation is working on it.

I wonder how they will handle aftermarket barrels?

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Old 05-17-2013, 16:11   #3
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This is a backdoor effort to register handguns. They been trying to push this through for over 20 years. So far no one is buying it.
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IT's not technically feasible at the moment, a pie in the sky, liberal BS thing to force guns out of the state. The first time 10 diff micro stamped cases show up at a crime scene, that will be the end of that BS. So I want to commit a murder, I sweep up a bag full of 9mm, then shoot my victim w/ my 9mm & replacement bbl, capture or police my brass, toss the cases at the scene, throw the bbl in the ocean, done. They'll spend months sorting that one out.
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The examples of microstamping I have seen (firing pins) hardly had much depth to the lettering/numbering. A file or a stone should remove it and still leave the gun functionable. Not to mention how easy firing pins can be replaced.
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The vast majority of guns used in crimes are stolen. The microstamp will show who USED to own the weapon but provide no information whatsoever about who did the shooting.

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The vast majority of guns used in crimes are stolen. The microstamp will show who USED to own the weapon but provide no information whatsoever about who did the shooting.

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I know the theory however we already have something that does that.... Serial numbers.(if the weapon is found) The forensic guys in ballistics like to think they are so great at matching brass to a gun so microstamping should not even be needed.

Being able to trace a gun back to "owner" via a serial number, microstamping and etc is basically a form of a registry. If an owner gets a gun stolen then it is up to them to provide the SN if they want the gun back.

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Being able to trace a gun back to "owner" via a serial number, microstamping and etc is basically a form of a registry.
Sure but in California, we already have handgun registration. There are some exceptions from back when face-to-face transfers were legal but that's been a long while.

I can't imagine a single crime being solved with microstamping. It's just another bit of harassment for shooters. It's kind of like the taggant in powder issue. Gun powder is made in train car quantities, presumably all tagged the same. Then it is canned and distributed. Thousands of cans of powder spread all over the country and the Feds figure to trace it via taggants? Nonsense!

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Are the police guns going to micro-stamp, too?
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Are the police guns going to micro-stamp, too?
Very likely!

I wonder what they are going to do with their brass? I doubt they are going to want to lose track of it.

If the brass is the part that gets marked (?), I wonder what happens when we reload free range brass? Overstamp?

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Old 05-17-2013, 22:43   #12
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Well if the fireing pin is going to do the marking then it is going to be on the spent primer.

The only way this would work would be if each box of brass was marked on the brass itself. Then each box would have to be sold with a regestery. You would then have to police up your brass and destroy it or turn it in.
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The attachment says that the marking has to be in 2 places.

I'm guessing breech face and firing pin or 2 places on breech face would be easiest to manufacture.

Breech face should be easy to polish as would the tip of a firing pin.

They are also talking microscopic markings, so they can't be very deep. I'd be surprised if they lasted very long with steel case ammo like wolf.

posted from my stupid smart phone, please excuse any spelling mistakes.
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Dremel tool and a bit of polishing rouge and no more micro stamp.

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Wonder what the start up costs for a business to replace micro stamping numbers with phrases would be. I have several ideas, but the only one that wont get me an infarction would be "property of Diane Feinstein."

An out of state company, of course.
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While we're at it, there should be a large stamp cautioning the user of the possibility of high temperatures known to occur with recently spent brass.
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Now this will be helpful, gang-bangers go to local range and pick up an assortment of various cases, all micro-stamped. Gang-bangers go out, do their drive-by, and toss a handful of empties into the street. Now, the police may have an ID on the car, maybe, but now they have, oh, 35 different micro stamped cases they'll HAVE to follow-up on.

Now with PD resources cut thin due to lack of funds, how much more expensive did this investigation just get? You could have cases included from shooters from Mt. Shasta to San Diego. I could see gang-bangers shipping cases from one area of the state to another just to help confuse things.

Micro-stamping, I've read, is a patented process. Whoever owns the patent can require royalties from gun manufacturers adding this technology to their guns. This cost doesn't affect the state though.

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Micro-stamping, I've read, is a patented process. Whoever owns the patent can require royalties from gun manufacturers adding this technology to their guns. This cost doesn't affect the state though.

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But that's the whole point! As of right now, there are two separate non-patented processes for microstamping. The patent issues was what held up the requirement for quite a while.

As to microstamping the case head, I don't think that's how it will work. There is so much engraving there already that I don't see how they can determine, for every case available, where to put the markings.

According to the WikiPedia, they want to mark the primer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_microstamping

Note that LE is specifically exempt. This is in direct conflict with the new legislation aimed at keeping 'unsafe' weapons away from LEOs as well as the general public. Don't know if it will pass, of course, but it has a lot of implications for backup weapons. MANY, MANY, LEOs have the Ruger LCP as a little hideout gun. With the new legislation, if it passes, those weapons could no longer be sold in California, PERIOD. Same with Gen 4s and every other weapon in the showcase marked LEOs only.

So, if it is the firing pin that microstamps the primer, how hard will it be to change out the pin? Are they going to be non-interchangeable?

This whole thing is just goofy!

EIDT: 'Unsafe' in this context simply means that the gun is not on the approved firearms roster. It has nothing to do with safety. Any gun that is not on the roster can't be sold to civilians and, at the moment, can be sold to LEOs. Thanks to 2 Sheriff's Deputies in Sac County straw-buying off-roster handguns (and AR-15s?) and reselling them to civilians, the newly proposed legislation will prohibit the sales of ANY 'unsafe' weapons to LEOs.

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.ht...&f=5&t=1328585

While I am on a rant, when Jerry Brown was attorney general, he determined that retired LEOs could not keep their purchased AR-15s (purchased after the 1992 ban) and would have to turn them in upon retirement. They could also sell them to other active duty LEOs or sell them out-of-state.

An extension of this, retired LEOs may also have to dispose of their off-roster handguns. The new legislation that prohibits sales of these off-roster handguns will probably address that issue.

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Bad guy with a 610 and a handful of .40 brass he picked up after the LEOs practiced at the local range. Make a nice novel.
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Dang it! I was planning all kinds of stuff to put on the firing pins, Chinese fortune cookie style. Some not so nice.
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A completely unworkable lib pipe dream. On its face it looks like a thin skinned effort to ban a particular class of firearms based on its "evil" characteristics.
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Can we just round up all these treasonous politicians and lock them up for breaking their oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States? Enough is enough!
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Wonder what the start up costs for a business to replace micro stamping numbers with phrases would be. I have several ideas, but the only one that wont get me an infarction would be "property of Diane Feinstein."

An out of state company, of course.
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