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Old 06-24-2009, 16:29   #1
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My poor AK

In Orlando,

Bought an AK 47 a year ago, no time to shoot much, finally did, failure to extracts galore, two visits to gunsmith, no fix!

Any advise for a non mechanical kind of guy? A good AK47 mechanic? Some one who specializes in the AK.

I just want to load mags and shoot it.

You can email me if you like.
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Old 06-24-2009, 16:48   #2
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Paging Dr. Carlos....

Whatever the issue you will need a hammer, a screwdriver, and maybe a chisel. Seriously. But the prognosis will probably be good!
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Old 06-24-2009, 18:24   #3
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Just a few thoughts. Have you ever cleaned it, is it full of cosmoline? This would give you problems. Can you manually extract the rounds or is the extractor slipping off of the cartridge? Check under the extractor for cosmoline, metal shavings etc. Not all that uncommon on a new AK. Also make sure the gas system is clean. Maybe try a different type of ammo. After this I would get new extractor spring and maybe even an extractor if the old one looks worn.
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Old 06-24-2009, 20:04   #4
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Just a few thoughts. Have you ever cleaned it, is it full of cosmoline? This would give you problems. Can you manually extract the rounds or is the extractor slipping off of the cartridge? Check under the extractor for cosmoline, metal shavings etc. Not all that uncommon on a new AK. Also make sure the gas system is clean. Maybe try a different type of ammo. After this I would get new extractor spring and maybe even an extractor if the old one looks worn.
The Gunsmith said he had replaced the extractor spring, and the extractor was good? I have a desire to sell it! I have a Steyr AUG, and never had a malfunction from it, a AR15 from Rock River, perfect, the best trigger I have ever had.

Just wanted an AK47? Might un want it at the next gun show.

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Old 06-24-2009, 20:17   #5
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Slow down scouse! don't be so rash - there is nothing (almost) on an AK that can't be fixed with a hammer and some gumption. Let's give it a little more examination. Once you clear this up, you'll love it.

Then again, you have a Steyr. Maybe not. That's kind of the anti-AK.
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Old 06-25-2009, 07:35   #6
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Scouse, please start over.
From the beginning, What brand of country,caliber, Pics if possible.
Please give more info on your FTEs issue ammo brands?
We can help, please give more detailed info.
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Old 06-25-2009, 17:29   #7
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Scouse, please start over.
From the beginning, What brand of country,caliber, Pics if possible.
Please give more info on your FTEs issue ammo brands?
We can help, please give more detailed info.

AK47 762X39 Wolf ammo, right folding stock, pack of 10 steel magazines, new, Bulgarian? 1981/ah2593 D.C. FND Inc. Saint Paul MN

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Old 06-26-2009, 15:26   #8
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D.C. industries out of St.Paul..... owned it for a year......It sounds like a kit build.

There are a lot of myths about the AK that are not true. They do break, they do malfunction, they do not work dirty ..........and they do take skill to build properly.

If you want to take a crack at fixing it yourself I would suggest that Glocktalk isn't the best place to ask for AK-specific information. There are some very knowledgeable people over at akfiles.com and theakforum.net that could help you out.

The only other option is to send it to someone who specializes in the AK. It'll probably cost you something to send it to someone who has a detailed understanding of the platform.

Personally, I would sell it if a detailed inspection and cleaning doesn't reveal an obvious fault. I don't like having to mess with something that's not built right from the beginning. Either it's right or it's not.

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Old 06-26-2009, 15:55   #9
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I don't like having to mess with something that's not built right from the beginning. Either it's right or it's not.
Sounds smart to me.

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Old 06-26-2009, 18:34   #10
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the american reciever/kit guns are 10x more problematic than com bloc guns.
it's extremely rare to hear of a norinco, maadi, or bulgarian having a problem
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Old 06-26-2009, 19:21   #11
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the american reciever/kit guns are 10x more problematic than com bloc guns
Not when built properly. Go to one of the above mentioned forums and you will see 10X American reciever/kit guns that put the ComBloc guns to shame.
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Not when built properly. Go to one of the above mentioned forums and you will see 10X American reciever/kit guns that put the ComBloc guns to shame.

Thats the million dollar question, was the build done correctly.
Scouse, please PM CarlosC. http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/member.php?u=4103
Maybe he can give better info on that bulid. If not, try some gunshops in the Orlando area for a gunsmith. And have them look at it.
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Old 06-27-2009, 09:48   #13
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Not when built properly. Go to one of the above mentioned forums and you will see 10X American reciever/kit guns that put the ComBloc guns to shame.
i've been on gunsnet for maybe 4-5 years now.
by far the threads regarding ak issues are with us made aks/parts guns.
century guns being some of the worst.
those and wasr's.
it would take me all day to find someone who has an issue with a bulgarian or norinco.
the only problem i EVER had with my bulgie sa93?
when i put an american piston in it, for the 922r thing.
that pos warped the 1st range trip.
put the bulgie piston back in, works like a champ
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i have the internal block on the way, gonna cut the tang.
have 2 drums coming too, a bulgarianand s. korean.
have roughly 1600 rds too
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Good luck with the S. Korea mag. Heard they can be hit or miss. I've got 2 40rd SK mags and not a problem with either of them yet, but others have had them self destruct on the first range trip.
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Old 06-27-2009, 19:39   #15
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Good luck with the S. Korea mag. Heard they can be hit or miss. I've got 2 40rd SK mags and not a problem with either of them yet, but others have had them self destruct on the first range trip.
yea, i might just dump it, nib.
shhh don't tell anyone, ok?
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Old 06-27-2009, 19:52   #16
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I've built AKs from demilled kits and might be able to help. Can you be more specific of the failure to extract? Do you have any witness marks on the bottom of the spent case where it contacts the ejector?
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Old 06-27-2009, 20:13   #17
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I've built AKs from demilled kits and might be able to help. Can you be more specific of the failure to extract? Do you have any witness marks on the bottom of the spent case where it contacts the ejector?
I too am a builder. I have had my hand in 4 Romy 'G' kit rebuilds to date (all of which run flawless btw).
I am also curious for more information on the FTE issue.

Issue #1: Is the case still in the chamber after firing, and jamming the next round into the spent case on cycle?

Issue #2: Or is the spent case being pulled from the chamber but not clearing the chamber before the next round is stripped off the mag during cycle?

If it's issue number one I would take apart the bolt, and check on the extractor spring.(Note: Should have to press hard on the extractor to remove the retaining pin in the bolt). Broken? Too short?
I would also check the extractor itself. Cracked or broken extractor hook? Build up of gunk under the hook?

If it's issue number two then either (IMO) it's an issue with the ejector. Angle of ejector tip? Ejector too short, and not impacting case bottom?
Or with the gas system (i.e. short cycle).
Gas piston hitting gas port (look for dents or chips on the piston face).
Carrier piston extension (couldn't think of a better name for that piece :P)
rubbing on the side of the rear sight block during cycle?

That is where I would start my diagnosis of the problem.
These issues can be easily corrected with the replacement of cheaply found parts or some TLC aligning the parts (with the exception of a too short ejector).

Don't sell it. AKs are simple. Diagnosis, and repair.
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Old 06-27-2009, 20:20   #18
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I too am a builder. I have had my hand in 4 Romy 'G' kit rebuilds to date (all of which run flawless btw).
I am also curious for more information on the FTE issue.

Issue #1: Is the case still in the chamber after firing, and jamming the next round into the spent case on cycle?

Issue #2: Or is the spent case being pulled from the chamber but not clearing the chamber before the next round is stripped off the mag during cycle?

If it's issue number one I would take apart the bolt, and check on the extractor spring.(Note: Should have to press hard on the extractor to remove the retaining pin in the bolt). Broken? Too short?
I would also check the extractor itself. Cracked or broken extractor hook? Build up of gunk under the hook?

If it's issue number two then either (IMO) it's an issue with the ejector. Angle of ejector tip? Ejector too short, and not impacting case bottom?
Or with the gas system (i.e. short cycle).
Gas piston hitting gas port (look for dents or chips on the piston face).
Carrier piston extension (couldn't think of a better name for that piece :P)
rubbing on the side of the rear sight block during cycle?

That is where I would start my diagnosis of the problem.
These issues can be easily corrected with the replacement of cheaply found parts or some TLC aligning the parts (with the exception of a too short ejector).

Don't sell it. AKs are simple. Diagnosis, and repair.
Agreed. Good points. While I wasn't thrilled at the time, building my AKs provided me with a good amount of info as to what could go wrong...unfortunately Nothing real bad and nothing that couldn't be fixed. Just lessons learned.
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Old 06-27-2009, 21:00   #19
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I'm kind of torn as to whether it's good thing to do a lot of work on your own rifle. On one hand, it's good to know the fine details to the point where you can build or fix you own rifle. On the other hand, you probably won't need those extensive skills if you buy right the first time. Both approaches have their respective advantages.

Personally, problems beyond simple parts replacement intimidate me. I've replaced a chipped extractor but that's the extent of my gunsmithing skills. I really haven't needed anything more extensive, skills wise, since I'm picky about what I buy in the first place.

I think there are a lot of people doing commercial builds that shouldn't be doing them (Century). Being a little bit of a snob may cost you more money when you buy something but I think it's worth it in the end.

Maybe I'm wrong. That extractor sure was hard to install.

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Old 06-27-2009, 21:42   #20
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You guys know a lot more than I!!

I seem to remember a top AK builder goes to the Fairground (gun show), might drop in to see him tomorrow. It did work well when I first got it.

Very accurate, shoots to exact point of aim at 50 yds. Despite those sights.

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