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Old 08-30-2009, 08:40   #21
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wow, thats crazy...I'm glad you didn't get hurt
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Old 08-30-2009, 08:54   #22
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Thank you for pointing that out - I had not picked up on that. I would edit my post, but it would make it confusing to read your response later, so I will let my gaff remain obvious and offer an apology for misreading that.

Hopefully OP engaged an attorney; if so, that would have been a wonderful thing to have included in his discussion of his case, and something even to emphasize as a teaching point. Criminal and civil liability can be an issue for years, so talking in such detail even a few months later would seem to be legally unwise.

My best wishes go to you and OP, in any event.

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Also, he may live in a state where he is protected from civil action if his actions were found to be in self defense.

To add, I do not know of ANY STATE, where successful civil action has been brought against the lawful owner of the dwelling, where aggressors used, or attempted to use deadly force in the commission of a felony.

If you have ever seen this, I would be interested to see such a reference....not a challenge of any sort, I am genuinely curious to see where/if this has ever transpired.

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What state do you live in? Is there a Castle Doctrine there?
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Old 08-30-2009, 09:36   #24
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Wonderful recollection of events. Thank you for posting your story. I'm sure you feel blessed having lived through such an ordeal!
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Old 08-30-2009, 09:53   #25
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If you read this as most of us did, you would connect the dots and realize he is saying this happened since the LAST TIME he posted on GT - which was back in May, and he has moved since.

I don't know the guy from adam. What would his motivation be for posting a big fat lie on the web, after not posting since May 25th?

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Maybe they build houses differently in Jamaica, but all the ones I have been in here in the US ( and I have been in a lot) you can't see out the front of your house and down the street while in the shower. And from his description sounds like his house os of the standard pattern, (bathroom in the hallway)

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I remove it off safety and crack the door open and shut the light off.
The nearest phone to me is on my desk down the hall and out in the open area where these bodies are.
And since they parked on the street parallel to the house, the headlights would not have been shining on the house.

The cops arrive at the scene of a shootout and find him next to a mini mac 11 and don't cuff him? ( cuffing everyone until who is who is sorted out is pretty standard procedure.)

Then he claims he sits in the back of a squad car for over two hours ( at least, since by his own claim the incident began at or around 2:58 and it is dawn when he gets out of the back of the patrol car.) at the scene before being let out of the back of the car and walked over to an ambulance that apparently has been sitting on scene for over two hours?
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Old 08-30-2009, 09:56   #26
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Maybe they build houses differently in Jamaica, but all the ones I have been in here in the US ( and I have been in a lot) you can't see out the front of your house and down the street while in the shower. And from his description sounds like his house os of the standard pattern, (bathroom in the hallway)



And since they parked on the street parallel to the house, the headlights would not have been shining on the house.

The cops arrive at the scene of a shootout and find him next to a mini mac 11 and don't cuff him? ( cuffing everyone until who is who is sorted out is pretty standard procedure.)

Then he claims he sits in the back of a squad car for over two hours ( at least, since by his own claim the incident began at or around 2:58 and it is dawn when he gets out of the back of the patrol car.) at the scene before being let out of the back of the car and walked over to an ambulance that apparently has been sitting on scene for over two hours?
See this is why we pay Dragoon the big bucks. He is naturally suspicious and finds the holes in the story which lead to the truth.

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Old 08-30-2009, 10:08   #27
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I was going to leave this one and see if anyone picked up on it, but what the heck might as well post it.

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I have my windows boarded up for hurricane season.
incredible headlights that car had, even though they were "dim" according to the OP they were able to penetrate the boards over his windows even though they were not even shining directly on the house since the car was parked on the street parallel to his house.

I want me some of these "dim"lights for my vehicles.

On second thought, just give me the OP's X ray vision that allowed him to see thru he boards over the wndows and see out the front of his house and even down the street.
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Old 08-30-2009, 10:10   #28
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Great story... You should become a Fiction writer... Funny though, I can't find ANYTHING about it in the news (and I would certainly think THAT would make news).

When you take another persons life (or persons), whether it be in self defense or not, It is the ABSOLUTE last thing you would EVER want to talk about (especially online).

Good story though... I enjoyed it.
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Old 08-30-2009, 10:24   #29
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Maybe they build houses differently in Jamaica, but all the ones I have been in here in the US ( and I have been in a lot) you can't see out the front of your house and down the street while in the shower. And from his description sounds like his house os of the standard pattern, (bathroom in the hallway)

My house was built in 2004. The master bathroom is over the garage (entirely). From my bathroom windows I (hopefully obviously) see the driveway all the way out to the street, and the street in one direction from my driveway.

I don't know why you are attempting to paint me in a corner in defense of the OP.

At no point in this thread have I said "wow, awesome story, hope yer ok". All I've pointed out, is that it can run either way (true or bullhockeypie).

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I have lived in a home that had the "warped" glass window in the shower. The warped style glass allowed light in, but no distinguishing features could be seen from the outside thereby keeping anyone from being able to see you naked.

Not saying this story isn't fiction, just providing a possible explanation for one of the things being questioned.
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One thing I'm wondering about he didn't mention them taking the Mac-10 and in fact posted pictures of it. Pictures could be prior to the incident of course...

I'm on the fence on this one.

But if I was in a shoot out I doubt I would even mention it here...legal complications and all.
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Old 08-30-2009, 10:38   #32
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My house was built in 2004. The master bathroom is over the garage (entirely). From my bathroom windows I (hopefully obviously) see the driveway all the way out to the street, and the street in one direction from my driveway.

I don't know why you are attempting to paint me in a corner in defense of the OP.

At no point in this thread have I said "wow, awesome story, hope yer ok". All I've pointed out, is that it can run either way (true or bullhockeypie).

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Not trying to paint you into a corner, just quoted you because you were taking issue with the only other guy that seemed to see flaws in the story. and it is pretty obvious this is not a two story ouse. ( unless it has a kitchen in the second story.)

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I have lived in a home that had the "warped" glass window in the shower. The warped style glass allowed light in, but no distinguishing features could be seen from the outside thereby keeping anyone from being able to see you naked.

Not saying this story isn't fiction, just providing a possible explanation for one of the things being questioned.
Was your bathroom window facing the front of the house? and if you noticed, he said the reason for him being unable to tell the make of the car was the shampoo and the blurred out window. ( I am guessing condensation) apparently the board over the window was not a problem.

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Was your bathroom window facing the front of the house? and if you noticed, he said the reason for him being unable to tell the make of the car was the shampoo and the blurred out window. ( I am guessing condensation) apparently the board over the window was not a problem.



As a matter of fact, no. The window faced the back yard. I'm unsure why anyone would build a home with a bathroom window in the shower stall that would face the front/street...but I guess it's possible.

Your comments on this thread are definitely causing me to question the original story. Would be nice to see some sort of news article to back up the story.
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Not trying to paint you into a corner, just quoted you because you were taking issue with the only other guy that seemed to see flaws in the story. and it is pretty obvious this is not a two story ouse. ( unless it has a kitchen in the second story.)


Was your bathroom window facing the front of the house? and if you noticed, he said the reason for him being unable to tell the make of the car was the shampoo and the blurred out window. ( I am guessing condensation) apparently the board over the window was not a problem.

ok.

1. I aint taking issues or sides one way or another. Is the OP FOS? Possible.
Could his story be factual? Possible.

Being that we are both hurricane experts (you south of Mason-Dixie, me Jamaica) MOST FOLKS do not board up bathroom windows - especially the ones which are usually 1/4 the size of other house windows. Most bathroom windows I have seen on 1st floors are usually those 15" x 36" units, as as someone else said - frosted.

Either which way, I was planning to slowly tease more info out of the OP.

I think you scurred him away.
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Old 08-30-2009, 10:48   #35
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No link or news article yet?

I don't believe this story.. in my town(California) three men were hired for murder because of money issues in a nice part of town, the invaders ran off while one was killed with a shotgun. Only one man was armed. Made the news the very next morning.
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One thing I'm wondering about he didn't mention them taking the Mac-10 and in fact posted pictures of it. Pictures could be prior to the incident of course...

I'm on the fence on this one.

But if I was in a shoot out I doubt I would even mention it here...legal complications and all.
I wondered the same, also been wondering when he had the time to take that camera phone looking shot of one of the intruders weapons "the fire" (AK-47)?

The Mac-11, with magnetically attached mags kinda set of an alarm on my end. Not that is is not a feasible set up.. but I'd like to think someone with that much presence of mind in terms of having firearms throughout their dwelling would have something a little more corrosion resistant in there bathroom. ( Im def probably over analyzing now too) Overall, the Ops alive.. thats whats matters most right...
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As a matter of fact, no. The window faced the back yard. I'm unsure why anyone would build a home with a bathroom window in the shower stall that would face the front/street...but I guess it's possible.

Your comments on this thread are definitely causing me to question the original story. Would be nice to see some sort of news article to back up the story.
I would not doubt but that a newspaper story inspired this one.
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I would not doubt but that a newspaper story inspired this one.
Wonder if the OP will come back and provide more information or if we'll ever know the truth of this story
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I peep around the corner and they are out of view.. I quickly and quietly slide across the hall to my room and crouch down with the my blacked out extended mac barrel lunging outside the doorway. Using the wall to hide my body.
clearly a one story dwelling and notice by is own words the bathroom is in a hallway across from his room.

Anybody have hallways in the front of their house containing a bathroom and bedrooms? There is no way the window of this bathroom is facing the front of the house where he could see someone parking in front of his house, frosted windows or boards aside.

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I know he can't see me. Too dark and I'm too low to notice
it's to dark for the guy to see him, but.....he can clearly see where he shoots the guy and even see's him clutching his throat.

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I let out three shots to the mans chest and neck area. He falls back and grabs his neck and drops the shotgun.
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Bang Bang.. two shots brings him down. chest and shoulder hit.
This dude is simply amazing, I have been in shootings in low light conditions and damned if I could tell where I hit them as soon as I shot.

and it doesn't stop there,

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My ears are ringing.
yet he can hear the sound of bullets tearing thru his door.

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I hear the return bullets tearing through the wood of my door
after all the shots fired in an enclosed space he can still hear heavy breathing, and even hear tires and gravel outside as they drive off.

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heavy breathing. I see a dark stain on my carpet passway from the man with the shotgun
I hear from outside tires and gravel drive off.
Simply amazing, frankly after shots fired in an enclosed space I was never able to hear much at all for a while.

There is only one explanation, he is a highly trained ninja!!
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Ok, someone snapped a pic of the start of the incident.



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