[gvf]

What's a light-recoil 45acp round
SD round I could use for a 36?

Thanks

PS How about just FMJ?

[DannyR]

Federal Personal Defense. Forget FMJ's unless you just want to make your assailant mad.

[willowofwisp]

Winchester Ranger-t's aka black talons....I won't carry anything in my .45's they are proven to work and have very good expanding numbers.

they are for law enforcement only so they may be hard to come by in stores

[pens-66]

Originally Posted by gvf

What's a light-recoil 45acp round
SD round I could use for a 36?

Thanks

PS How about just FMJ?

I have always used the Federal HST 230+P in my G36. I carry that combo every day. The Ranger Ts and the Speer Gold Dot are good as well. But the HSTs are my favorite. Any good non+P will be pretty much the same. If you use +P ammo you probably won't realize the difference in recoil under a stressful situation. Just my opinion.

["Cold Dead Hands" !]

Why use only low-recoil ammo ?
You will only get low performance, when you need it most.
You should be using the fastest, hardest hitting .45acp ammo out there.
Because the G36's short barrel will deliver less bullet speed & performance to begin with.
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/cat...993oser80q4k06
Double Tap ammo might be the best, because it is a Speer Gold Dot bullet driven to even greater speed.
Also:
*Corbon DPX.
*Speer Gold Dot
*Winchester Ranger T series.
*185gr. Remington Golden Saber
*Triton
Just shoot a box or two of one brand, to make sure it feeds well thru your gun.
Then you will rarely shoot it ever again, except to defend yourself.

For frequent practice ammo, just use the cheapest .45 acp FMJ ammo you can find.
Their all low recoil.
Problem solved.

Now, if you have permanently crippled hands, and can hardly shoot a gun, because it will fly out of your hands...
230gr. Federal Hydra Shoks will be low recoil.
230gr. Speer Gold Dot's special "Short-Barreled ammo" would be low recoil too.
But, you will get far less performance with these.

A Glock 19 9mm would be a better choice of gun, if you want low recoil.
The 9mm FMJ practice ammo is low recoil & far cheaper.
The cheap FMJ ammo is basically all you will ever shoot.
Then, load-up with the high powered stuff for Carry or Home Defense.

[DUMPLING]

Anything with a GOLD DOT bullet on it. This stuff works.

[OD GASTON]

230 gr. Rem. Golden Sabors.....personnal preferance. Like mentioned above there are a ton of great hollowpoints out nowadays.

[FireForged]

Originally Posted by DannyR

Federal Personal Defense. Forget FMJ's unless you just want to make your assailant mad.

That was supposed to be a joke, right?

[gvf]

Why use only low-recoil ammo ?

My hand are OK, not that, just I'd like to have the same recoil in an emergency situation that I have feel for the at the range from target ammo (currently using a 230 gr fmj), I mean within the ballpark of that.
The fewer surprises the better in feel of my gun is what I was after.

Also, to stay on target with repeated shots is easier.

But I'm not recoil sensitive. I'm 61, health problems, skinny, skinny little hands etc. - and the first gun I ever shot 3 years ago (and my first gun ever) was a Colt Python, .357 without an issue. (buy of a lifetime - unfired except for test-firing, nickle 4": $439 )

[WILLSARV]

Originally Posted by FireForged

That was supposed to be a joke, right?

Of course it was a joke.

Then I guess the military has pissed off quite a few enemies over the years.

[Commander Keen]

Personally, I use corbon's dpx 185 gr +p in my G30. Very accurate, and easy to shoot, and the Mongolian (my Glock) eats then like candy. However, with the short barrel you might want to concider going with either corbon's 160 gr dpx, or speer's 200 gr +p gold dot round. I believe both are designed with short barrelled guns in mind.
I would stay away from fmj's in a defense roll, because those rounds will do little more than punch a .45 caliber hole through a person and keep going. It's much better to have a hollow point that will stop in the bg instead of an fmj that will keep going, and then hit something you don't want to hit, like a innocent bystander or a car.
Of course, there is the old tennent that any modern jhp will do a fine job if you do yours (bullet placement). After all, a hit with a .22 is much better than a miss with a .45.

[Big Sam]

My 36 is full of FMJ ammo. If I were going to use expanding ammo I would start with Speer Gold dots. You have a long list of choices out there and you need to find what works best for you. Don't know where you will end up but starting with Gold Dots is a good place. One of the nice things about the 45 is you can shoot carry loads that feel just like practice loads. You can go to hotter carry loads but I find it a lot more optional than for my 9mm Glocks (which have Gold Dot +P's in them). Just get what you like and shoot a bunch of them to be sure your gun likes them too.

[israel 54]

Considering all of the 1911 and other .45 guys, I'm really surprised not to hear that it's a .45 it doesn't matter what ammo you use it'll stop whatever you have coming at you with a single shot. Lol, I guess they all went and bought Fo-tays. Now, just about any commercial ammo is going to perform well. I would recommend using hollow- points either 180gr. or 230gr. will be fine. Alot of people have alot of opinions and few are going to agree 100%. Federal HST does have some low recoil self defense ammo that is very good.

[GSSF17]

Originally Posted by DUMPLING

Anything with a GOLD DOT bullet on it. This stuff works.

Ding ding ding!!!!!!!!!!!

+1 for sure.

Speer Gold dot 230 Gr. GDHP

[40 Cal Joe]

CorBon 185 HP

[Glock30sfNC]

Originally Posted by DannyR

Federal Personal Defense. Forget FMJ's unless you just want to make your assailant mad.

You shoot people with FMJ .45 often? I thought not.

Hpoints are better SD ammo in my opinion but I know people who only shoot FMJ(range and SD) and they def. won't say it makes people mad.

Don't tell this guy that it's worthless as self defense because if hes on a budget chances are some FMJ ammo is looking better than HP price wise.

["Cold Dead Hands" !]

Originally Posted by Big Sam

My 36 is full of FMJ ammo. If I were going to use expanding ammo I would start with Speer Gold dots. You have a long list of choices out there and you need to find what works best for you. Don't know where you will end up but starting with Gold Dots is a good place. One of the nice things about the 45 is you can shoot carry loads that feel just like practice loads. You can go to hotter carry loads but I find it a lot more optional than for my 9mm Glocks (which have Gold Dot +P's in them). Just get what you like and shoot a bunch of them to be sure your gun likes them too.

Sam, I agree about the Speer Gold Dots.
And, the Double Tap ammo is the Speer Gold Dot bullet driven to even higher speed, similar to Corbons.
That's what would make it so good, especially for short-barreled guns.

Also, amazingly, testing and Police records show that the 9mm FMJ are better Man-Stopper's than the .45acp FMJ.
Because most of the time, the long, thinner round-nosed 9mm bullet tumbles upon impact, and as it turns sideways, it causes more damage than the .45 which just drills straight thru, making a smaller hole.

That's probably why the Military switch to the 9mm !

[Bowtie]

Originally Posted by "Cold Dead Hands" !

Sam, I agree about the Speer Gold Dots.
And, the Double Tap ammo is the Speer Gold Dot bullet driven to even higher speed, similar to Corbons.
That's what would make it so good, especially for short-barreled guns.

Also, amazingly, testing and Police records show that the 9mm FMJ are better Man-Stopper's than the .45acp FMJ.
Because modt of the time, the long, thinner round-nosed 9mm bullet tumbles upon impact, and as it turns sideways, it causes more damage than the .45 which just drills straight thru, making a smaller hole.

That's probably why the Military switch to the 9mm !

Have any documented proof of that claim?

[yrbender]

http://www.gunblast.com/RKCampbell-GoldDot.htm

[viniglock]

Originally Posted by DUMPLING

Anything with a GOLD DOT bullet on it. This stuff works.

I concur!

["Cold Dead Hands" !]

Originally Posted by Bowtie

Have any documented proof of that claim?

Nope....I'm out of here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Been drinkin the Koolaid !

[blinddog]

OK here it is use Rem Golden Saber 230 grn JHP for SD ammo use Rem 230 Grn FMJ for range the differance in recoil will be slight if any Newtons laws hol;d true every action has an equil reaction thus a 230 Grn JHP at 950 FPS or so will have the same recoil as a 230 Grn FMJ at 950 FPS. And for what it's worth I have seen wounds from 230 grn FMJ and from 230 grn JHP's the go in is about the same but with JHP you seldom have a go out provideing you hit center mass FMJ almost always give a full pass through. I also saw a guy who lost his leg on the spot from a hit with an FMJ just above his knee had a small strip of skin on each side holding the leg on, it didn't matter though he bled out before EMS got to the scene

[captainkronosVH]

I use Speer's Lawman ammo in both my G36 and G21. Same POI and recoil with the FMJ as with the Gold Dots. I use the 230 gr of each and can not tell the difference even if I mix them in a magazine. Good stuff- glad I bought a ton of it when it was still cheap.

[kahoys]

I just got to agree, it is a .45 it is 230gr. ball, it worked for our guys and gals in WW-1 AND 2, Korea, and Vietnam, Hell we carried it on duty inport. For self defence I still prefer what has been tried, true, and tested. Works for me.

Originally Posted by israel 54

Considering all of the 1911 and other .45 guys, I'm really surprised not to hear that it's a .45 it doesn't matter what ammo you use it'll stop whatever you have coming at you with a single shot. Lol, I guess they all went and bought Fo-tays. Now, just about any commercial ammo is going to perform well. I would recommend using hollow- points either 180gr. or 230gr. will be fine. Alot of people have alot of opinions and few are going to agree 100%. Federal HST does have some low recoil self defense ammo that is very good.

["Cold Dead Hands" !]

No seriously !


P.162 of this Stopping Power book, the third book of the series.
The authors just compiled information from all over the world, to create these books.

The 9mm FMJ info is confirmed from different studies.
Records of Police shootings, and labratory test.
Shooting the 9mm FMJ into 10% gelatin, showed that most of the time, the bullet tumbles 180 degrees upon impact.
While the big, fat .45 acp drills straight thru.