[Chevy327]

Originally Posted by Narkcop

I would say the Glock 22 or 23 is the most widely used DEA pistol and the best for it's intended purpose. I do get a few envious comments from other agencies when I am carrying my 1911.

Yeah...but why do you think the G22/G23 is best?

Why do you sometimes carry your 1911?

Thanks

[BOGE]

Originally Posted by Chevy327

Yeah...but why do you think the G22/G23 is best?...

1. Because they always go bang.

2. When your nads are in the vise it´s a helluva lot easier to point & pull than fiddle with safeties.

[GVFlyer]

Originally Posted by Narkcop

I would say the Glock 22 or 23 is the most widely used DEA pistol and the best for it's intended purpose.

You really think so?

[Narkcop]

1911's require a higher degree of competency and maintenance, I find most Police lack both when it comes to firearms.

[faawrenchbndr]

Originally Posted by BOGE

1. Because they always go bang.

2. When your nads are in the vise it´s a helluva lot easier to point & pull than fiddle with safeties.

As long as there is never a light mounted!

Will we be seeing a video of a DEA shooting himself in the foot
with a 1911?! Doubtful!

[Chevy327]

I see where you guys are going with this, but my 1911's have gone bang everytime.

After the extensive transition course, the agents will be sweeping the safties to the fire position...even on their Glocks.

Why else is the Glock 22/23 a better suited pistol for DEA Agent work?


The obvious thing is the weight. A fully loaded Glock 21 is just over 38 oz. A 1911 generally weighs about 43 oz loaded, I believe...so that's one thing.

[ajgranda]

Originally Posted by Narkcop

1911's require a higher degree of competency and maintenance, I find most Police lack both when it comes to firearms.

Being a retired LEO I agree with you 100%, plus the cost is a huge consideration. It may be a little different in pro gun states where many have grown up with guns, but around here 99% have never even held a gun until the academy.

[faawrenchbndr]

If I were in the LE business and could carry a 1911, I would.

[M1A Shooter]

wish i could have carried the 1911 too. i was stuck with a M9 Beretta for 10 years.

[faawrenchbndr]

I REALLY like the Beretta,....but I LOVE the 1911.

[Chevy327]

Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr

I REALLY like the Beretta,....but I LOVE the 1911.

Why do you love the 1911?

Are there particular attributes that make you love it?

Thanks

[nastytrigger]

I don't carry my 1911 much, but I trust my Springfield Loaded 100%. I wish it was a TRP or Pro, but it works! I can't justify a $2k-$3k gun of any kind. My Bushy AR was $800 and I was "tighter than a bulls a** in y season" with my wallet. I believe I make more than an agent. I could barely afford a custom 1911, why would they want to spend hard earned money on another pistol, let alone multiple grand? Investment? Plus, I hate to reload. That's all I do with my 7 or 8rd 1911. If I had to carry a full size .45 on patrol or to war, I'd carry my Glock 21! My everyday carry is a Glock 19, but the Glock 21 is my 'night stand' gun, occasional carry. I guess I don't get the 1911 hype either... but I like my Springfield Loaded! I really like the design and history of the pistol as a whole, but other designs serve me better. If anyone wants to charity me $3k for a SA Pro, I'll be a very happy man!

[GVFlyer]

Originally Posted by M1A Shooter

wish i could have carried the 1911 too. i was stuck with a M9 Beretta for 10 years.

I carried a M1911 until there were no more in the inventory, then (reluctantly) went to the M9. You remember what we used to say about about the 9mm Beretta - "If you have to shoot somebody with that thing - shoot him a lot!".

[Narkcop]

Originally Posted by thurn55

I don't carry my 1911 much, but I trust my Springfield Loaded 100%. I wish it was a TRP or Pro, but it works! I can't justify a $2k-$3k gun of any kind. My Bushy AR was $800 and I was "tighter than a bulls a** in y season" with my wallet. I believe I make more than an agent. I could barely afford a custom 1911, why would they want to spend hard earned money on another pistol, let alone multiple grand? Investment? Plus, I hate to reload. That's all I do with my 7 or 8rd 1911. If I had to carry a full size .45 on patrol or to war, I'd carry my Glock 21! My everyday carry is a Glock 19, but the Glock 21 is my 'night stand' gun, occasional carry. I guess I don't get the 1911 hype either... but I like my Springfield Loaded! I really like the design and history of the pistol as a whole, but other designs serve me better. If anyone wants to charity me $3k for a SA Pro, I'll be a very happy man!

Most Agents make $100,000 plus a year, I think they can afford a SA 1911 TRP Pro, it's just most are going to carry what they are issued.

[Skysoldier]

I' fail to see why all sudden the DEA. FBT and all the other high speed police units need a $2000-$3000 custom 45. Hell LA PD Swat gets "2" guns. Wheyn I was a kid like most of you Cops got buy with 38 Colt & Smith wheelguns. If they are allowed to carry a 45auto a Glock 21sf or a plain jane Colt would do if they need all the bells and whistles let them pay for it them selves. No I am not anti-Cop my Son is a police Officer. I just think the 2 to 3 grand custom handguns is a little much

[MADBMW]

Originally Posted by Skysoldier

I' fail to see why all sudden the DEA. FBT and all the other high speed police units need a $2000-$3000 custom 45. Hell LA PD Swat gets "2" guns. Wheyn I was a kid like most of you Cops got buy with 38 Colt & Smith wheelguns. If they are allowed to carry a 45auto a Glock 21sf or a plain jane Colt would do if they need all the bells and whistles let them pay for it them selves. No I am not anti-Cop my Son is a police Officer. I just think the 2 to 3 grand custom handguns is a little much

The DEA agents will be paying for it themselves. FBI HRT and SWAT are the only FBI agents that get issued the pro, so given the total number of agents, the total is actually fairly low.

[faawrenchbndr]

Originally Posted by Chevy327

Why do you love the 1911?

Are there particular attributes that make you love it?

Thanks

Trigger pull
Ergonomics
Safety position
Ballance
Shootability

[Chevy327]

Originally Posted by Skysoldier

I' fail to see why all sudden the DEA. FBT and all the other high speed police units need a $2000-$3000 custom 45. Hell LA PD Swat gets "2" guns. Wheyn I was a kid like most of you Cops got buy with 38 Colt & Smith wheelguns. If they are allowed to carry a 45auto a Glock 21sf or a plain jane Colt would do if they need all the bells and whistles let them pay for it them selves. No I am not anti-Cop my Son is a police Officer. I just think the 2 to 3 grand custom handguns is a little much

It would be worth it to me just to participate in the transition course!

Thanks faawrenchbndr! Me, too.

[SEKY]

Here is a pretty good article about the "CRG"

http://springfield-armory.primediaou.../SPstory06.php

[series1811]

Originally Posted by Narkcop

I would say the Glock 22 or 23 is the most widely used DEA pistol and the best for it's intended purpose. I do get a few envious comments from other agencies when I am carrying my 1911.

Most agents carry the issued Glocks or Sigs for the same reason most cops like to carry issued pistols, rifles and shotguns. Guns used every day for work, tend to get a lot of use and abuse. I've seen agents' guns go completely underwater in fresh and salt water, on arrests, operations, etc. (Katrina being a great example), where the gun couldn't be cleaned off until much later. I fought an arrestee in the mud once, in a recently plowed field on the back side of the Mississippi levee, and when it was over, you couldn't even see my handgun (a Beretta 92) it had so much mud on it. I didn't get a chance to do anything but wipe it off until I got home that night. Working in New Orleans several years, my Sig P228 sights, grip screws, and slide release turned completely red from rust, not matter what I did, just from sweat that got on the gun on really hot humid days, from wearing it in an IWB holster that was itself completely soaked with sweat.

How many people would be excited about that stuff happening to their $2000 1911?

[GVFlyer]

Good point. One of the things I liked about my issue M1911 was its ability to function reliably when it was dirty or fouled by whatever the local contaminant happened to be.

[walkin' trails]

I've always preferred to carry personally owned handguns on the job. I've put several of them thru some pretty serious abuse in addition to shooting them a lot. Probably the most serious chaa ching I've given a gun was when I flipped an ATV and landed on my blued S&W Model 19. It left a couple of good scratches thru the leather holster into the cylinder. Didn't hurt the function though. Most of what I carry today isn't worth more than $5-600 if I had to replace it. Getting a $2K Springfield dirty or wet is one thing. My biggest concern is that if I had to use the thing on duty, depending on the jurisdiction, it might sit in a department's evidence vault for a while. Some departments are pretty good about returning a cops pistol after a justifiable shoot. Others may hang onto it longer.

[Rabbit Creek]

Seven pages of mostly kiddie talk, same olde Glock Talk..

Since the OP subject was DEA & 1911s, no mention of the early 90s Bauer/Para $2K customs that remain in a warehouse because they were jammamatics??

[Gary1911A1]

Originally Posted by Rabbit Creek

Seven pages of mostly kiddie talk, same olde Glock Talk..

Since the OP subject was DEA & 1911s, no mention of the early 90s Bauer/Para $2K customs that remain in a warehouse because they were jammamatics??

My understanding was the FBI brought in Steve Nastoff to fix the early Baer/Para 1911s' and kept Steve around to help with the specs for the current FBI 1911. I seem to recall there was a problem with the Baer Slide fitting as well as the Para Magazines.

[deMontacute]

Originally Posted by BOGE

1. Because they always go bang.

And sometimes they go kaboom!