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Old 10-15-2009, 18:28   #1
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Microtech MSAR

I'm really wanting to buy a piston type rifle that is something new/different.I've been asking about different rifles here lately,I hope it isn't getting annoying.Any way,I ran across the Microtech MSAR on Gunbroker which I had forgotten all about.Have there been any quality issues with these rifles?I wanted to buy one when they came out but I figured I'd wait until they were out for a while.I've also noticed a big difference in prices on Gunbroker.Around $1200.00 to around $1900.00 and some even more.Why might that be?I did a search here on GT and it didn't come up with much.I also did a search on the net for a review,no luck.
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Old 10-15-2009, 19:55   #2
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I just bought an E4 from these guys

http://www.specialistgunshop.com/steyr.htm

very pleased with the gun, very accurate rifle. Needs some breaking in, the gun really likes PMAGS, but comes with 5 MSAR 30 round mags. Totally different system that the AR15. Feels very tight, compact, easy to handle. Mag changes are a pain, different manual of arms. I would highly recommend the gun for someone looking for something different.
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I shot the MSAR that our local range had for rental (they even had a left hand bolt for it behind the counter). I loved the way it handled and shot. My only complaint is having to pay an extra $200 or so to get that left hand bolt so I would be able to use it.
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Old 10-15-2009, 20:11   #4
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I think I have convinced myself to buy an E4.I see some of the contents of my safe being sold sometime soon to fund the purchase,as I have several things that haven't seen the light of day for years.More opinions appreciated though.A few pictures maybe?
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I think I have convinced myself to buy an E4.I see some of the contents of my safe being sold sometime soon to fund the purchase,as I have several things that haven't seen the light of day for years.More opinions appreciated though.A few pictures maybe?
One of my STG's w/the new E4 optic rail, Magpul MBUS, Fenix TK11 taclight & Trijicon RX30 Reflex sight:
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Old 10-15-2009, 20:30   #6
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Wait a minute,there was no "good looking one".Just kidding.Looks like you had a lot of fun.I just ordered a bunch of parts for a project.I wish I could un-do that.Oh well.I'll come up with some "toy" cash.
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Old 10-15-2009, 20:51   #7
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I just bought an E4 from these guys

http://www.specialistgunshop.com/steyr.htm

very pleased with the gun, very accurate rifle. Needs some breaking in, the gun really likes PMAGS, but comes with 5 MSAR 30 round mags. Totally different system that the AR15. Feels very tight, compact, easy to handle. Mag changes are a pain, different manual of arms. I would highly recommend the gun for someone looking for something different.
That's some good prices on the MSAR. I've been wanting the E4 (that takes AR mags). The TPD AXR that I've wanted for a long time seems to be a lost cause.
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Old 10-15-2009, 21:11   #8
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Here is my MSAR STG-E4 (the one 12131 is waiting for). It cost me $1500 after taxes and shipping. It came with 5 magazines and takes *most* AR magazines. So far the one magazine that won't fit is the Lancer L5.

I'm very pleased with the gun. At first, it had a lot of FTF issues and was very tight. After about 200 rounds, most of the issues are disappearing. Removing the first magazine took two people. Now I can change them properly. The first 3-4 disassemblies were rough as well. Now I can pull the whole thing apart in less than 20 seconds, and put it back together about as fast.

As soon as I financially recover from the purchase, I'm going to put a reflex sight on it (it has AR irons now, which is something you cannot do on the original without the E4 style rail). Then I'm taking it to a carbine class.

Galleryofguns.com has these on sale until the end of October.
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Old 10-15-2009, 21:16   #9
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Very nice.I wonder what I can get for a kidney...
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Oh,and how does it work out with irons?Seems like a pretty short sight plain.I'd probably put my Aimpoint on it,but some irons aren't a bad idea.Do AR sights work on it?
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Since I don't have the cash right now,there is one of these on Gunbroker for $1399.00+$39.00 shipping.The auction ends in about 7 1/2 hours.Lowest price I've seen so far.I wish I could make it mine.
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Oh,and how does it work out with irons?Seems like a pretty short sight plain.I'd probably put my Aimpoint on it,but some irons aren't a bad idea.Do AR sights work on it?
The sight radius is indeed very short, but it hasn't seemed to affect accuracy much. I'm using a set of MIs on mine. If you have the irons and the optic, make sure the optic is slightly raised so that the folded irons don't get in the way of viewing.
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For you MSAR owners, how does your rifle group. My friend owns this one and the best it will do is 2.5 inches at 100 yards. I am not impressed with the accuracy at all. I am wondering if he got a lemon.
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For you MSAR owners, how does your rifle group. My friend owns this one and the best it will do is 2.5 inches at 100 yards. I am not impressed with the accuracy at all. I am wondering if he got a lemon.
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What kind of ammo was he using for the test? IMHO 2.5" groups is perfectly acceptable for a military-style firearm w/the typical bullpup trigger. Now, if we were talking MSAR's DMR STG w/the 24" bbl & match trigger shooting match ammo I'd find 2.5" groups very disappointing.
Is this level of accuracy acceptable?: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=43&t=293525
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Using hand loaded ammunition with Hornaday 55gr bullets, I was able to get 1.5 inches at 100 yards from the bench. However, 2.5" at 100 yards is acceptable to me from a gas-piston semi-automatic with a fairly bad trigger. AR's have spoiled everyone in the accuracy department.
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What kind of ammo was he using for the test? IMHO 2.5" groups is perfectly acceptable for a military-style firearm w/the typical bullpup trigger. Now, if we were talking MSAR's DMR STG w/the 24" bbl & match trigger shooting match ammo I'd find 2.5" groups very disappointing.
Is this level of accuracy acceptable?: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=43&t=293525
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With factory ball the best he could get was 4 inches or so. With 75 grain Tap our duty ammo the best it would do was about 3.5 inches. I reloaded him some rounds using 52 grain Sierra Match bullets and 55 grain tap bullets and then the groups shrank to 2.5 inches. I guess I expected more. I used to own a USR myself and it would shoot 1.5 moa.

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It is a nice rifle. I will wait until the version that uses AR PMAGS to come out.

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It is a nice rifle. I will wait until the version that uses AR PMAGS to come out.

That one is out its called the E4 model. Tomac owns one I believe.
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I discovered part of the problem today. I took him out to shoot his rifle and discovered the new rail he had put on was not tightened all the way. I tightened it and put lock tight on it and we will shoot it again tomorrow. I think that was the issue. I expect to see 1.5 to 2 moa groups.
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It is a nice rifle. I will wait until the version that uses AR PMAGS to come out.

You don't have to wait; the STG-E4 is already out. I picked one up about 2 weeks ago. It's pictured in my post above.
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