CX Storm...good..bad...ugly?

hedrok · 11-09-2009, 17:56

What do you guys think of the Storm Carbine? Pros....cons...everything...all calibers.

G17nSTORM · 11-18-2009, 21:56

love it, get it, you won't be disappointed! Extremely accurate, get the 9 so you can have at least 20 rnd beretta mags for reliability. (I have no others so I can't speak to the reliability, only that I have had zero issues with beretta mags.)

hedrok · 11-19-2009, 06:59

I'd have to think that the other calibers are pretty good as well...but there doesn't seem to be a lot of owners out there...lots of the guns, though. Anybody else got an opinion??

G17nSTORM · 11-19-2009, 08:58

I honestly think the other calibers are not popular simply because of mag availability. there is an over abundance of the 15 rnd and 20 rnd 9mm from reputable makers (Beretta, MDS, Mecgar). I have never tried the 33 rnder from others, but have read good and bad things online. but the 45 I think the most you can get is 8(!!!!) rnds and the 40 is maybe 15 (????). In a big (compared to a pistol) I see this as a real drawback. Others may disagree.

But yes I have heard similar reliability from the other calibers, I think they are all the "same" with capacity being the difference.

Goodspeed(TPF) · 11-19-2009, 10:37

I have 2 9mms and one .40S&W. I have never had any probs in thousands of rounds. Light, accurate and handy. Buy one.

Hero · 11-22-2009, 05:56

One of the best gun purchases I've made in a long time. An absolute blast.

hedrok · 11-22-2009, 07:34

Thanks for the info on these really very interesting short range rifles. Has anybody tried these out to 200-300 meters?

Pistol mags fit the rifle in both 9 and 40, right? What about 45? I'm thinking that capacity would be an issue there...but in 40,can't the higher capacity 9mm mags be also used with just very minor (if any) mods?

Is there any such thing as a 15-20 rd 45acp mag?

G17nSTORM · 11-23-2009, 08:12

oh, also be careful which Mag edition you buy, you can get a 92, cougar and PX4 style mag so if you have a pistol and want to share mags with them make sure you get the right CX4. I can pretty easily buy the mag interchange part and switch which mags you can use, just just know that you they don't all fit just cause its a 9mm beretta pistol mag!

obxemt · 12-05-2009, 18:59

Very fun to shoot. Surprisingly ergonomic and comfortable to shoot. The .40 has much more recoil than I anticipated but of course is more than manageable. I am issued one in .40. I'd rather have a shotgun or a rifle, but "it is what is is" as they say. The trigger sucks.

hedrok · 12-06-2009, 14:01

Well, I took the plunge and got in all the way. I was dissatisfied with some other guns, did some swapping and picked up both...a 9mm and a 40S&W.
Not that I ever doubted you guys...But these are SWEEEET shooters. Quick to acquire target, sweep, can be handled at close range with one hand and the bottom of a ribcage...very nice.

In the deal(s), I also ended up with some aftermarket thirty rd. mags for the 9mm...and guess what....they work just fine in the 40. They hang a little low, but I don't plan to spend much time crawlin' and shootin' at the same time anyway.

Now, if I get really stupid (or lucky), I'll end up with a trifecta...but I'll bet that the 45acp will be doin' 1300-1400fps outa that barrel. That's a lot of hit.

Thanks again for the info.

mfetty77 · 12-21-2009, 22:45

A friend of mine has one in 9mm. I love it, want my own. I have no trouble with the factory peep sights on them either. His has red dot on it but never use it.

jon_in_wv · 12-31-2009, 14:03

If you get a chance to shoot one remember to try different weights of bullets before making your decision. I bought a HiPoint Carbine and I wasn't that impressed with it firing the 115gr WWB I had on hand and my 124gr reloads. I switched to some 147gr loads and it became a whole different weapon. The recoil is so light and the groups tightened up significantly. Know I love it. I would rather have a CX4 if they weren't so pricey.

hedrok · 01-01-2010, 09:36

Thanks...I'll try some other weights just to see the difference but, at this point, even without the benefit of possibly a more perfect round, I'm really impressed with this gun. Works well out way beyond pistol range and is excellent for CQ, as well.
Pretty much the ideal civilian carbine...and not bad for LE, either.

obxemt · 01-01-2010, 09:47

As an LE user I have to say that I agree with you. For LE use it is "not bad" but it is "not great" either.

As a plinker or range gun, they are fantastic, and tons of fun. But as I said before I would much rather have a rifle or a shotgun. Pistol caliber is still pistol caliber, although it does increase range.

I would love to shoot one in 9mm with +p or +p+ ammunition. Ours are in .40 and issued ammo is 180-grain Winchester Lawman.

hedrok · 01-01-2010, 10:03

I agree...caliber makes a lot of difference. I'll try some +p and post results.

I'm not in LE, thankfully...but do I train and shoot with really great guys and gals who are. You all have my respect and admiration for the job you do. I'm happy to follow orders and provide backup if ever needed, but I could NEVER muster up the patience and tolerance for the BS you guys need on an everyday basis.
Thank YOU.

obxemt · 01-01-2010, 10:28

LOL, no problem, you're welcome. Thank you for offering to help out if ever needed. That actually means a great deal. In a recent thread here, many people claimed they would not assist a lone officer who was being shot at by four bank robbers.

It's funny...my BS factor has become less and less over the years. If someone tries to fight me I can deal with that. What irritates me is the day-in and day-out stupidity. It is amazing to me that people can permit themselves to be such turds. They're human beings but they don't act much better than animals at times. It is frustrating and a little depressing sometimes.

hedrok · 01-01-2010, 15:46

I can ONLY imagine...And the offer stands...Wherever I am.

I'll let you know about the +p.

ramblinoak · 01-09-2010, 00:14

92FS and the CX4 storm.....great combination............

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Warhorse · 02-06-2010, 06:47

I like the looks of the PX4 pistol, in fact I even bought one. It's a great shooting .40 pistol, and from what I hear the CX Storms are just as great.

However, the CX Storm just looks way to "Star Wars" for me...no thanks.

hedrok · 02-06-2010, 07:01

I kinda thought that, too....but after taking them to a couple of IDPA type 2 gun shoots, I've become a believer. The gun is fast to take down multiple targets, handles VERY well in close quarters and is accurate. Couple that with a handgun that takes the same mags and it's a pretty good combo.

obxemt · 02-06-2010, 08:44

Yeah it's super as long as your mag bottoms stop blowing off while loaded and you don't shoot the pistol in 30-degree weather (guide rod stops doing its job).

hedrok · 02-06-2010, 15:08

Might I suggest that you didn't reassemble the mag completely? That little dickey thing needs to go in the hole. LOL

As to the guide rod....I can't help ya.....except, don't use grease on it.

obxemt · 02-06-2010, 15:28

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Originally Posted by hedrok

Might I suggest that you didn't reassemble the mag completely? That little dickey thing needs to go in the hole. LOL

As to the guide rod....I can't help ya.....except, don't use grease on it.

The magazine explosions were an agency-wide problem due to an apparent design flaw, not an isolated reassembly issue. Beretta fixed it after four attempts, but the trust factor is still gone. Another agency went back to Glock because the slides would fly off while shooting during an instructor's course. I can't remember what the cause of that was. The trainers were critical and skeptical of the officers and their reassembly skills until the weapons flew apart in their hands also.

hedrok · 02-06-2010, 15:48

WOW ! ! Were those guns LE editions...or military? I would imagine a lot of both direct and ancillary sales were lost with those screw-ups.
Glad you're here to tell the story.

obxemt · 02-06-2010, 16:12

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Originally Posted by hedrok

WOW ! ! Were those guns LE editions...or military? I would imagine a lot of both direct and ancillary sales were lost with those screw-ups.
Glad you're here to tell the story.

These were LE guns. We had Beretta 96s which followed Beretta 92s that had some age on them and Mossberg 500 shotguns. The brass was (and is) big on Beretta for at least 20 years. It was time for the 96s to be replaced so Beretta gave a sweetheart deal to trade everything in on Storm pistols and carbines (all .40). By the way, this is a small agency, less than 100 officers. The other agency I mentioned has less than 10 officers.

And I don't mean to sound like a basher...they're still good guns and the problem has apparently been fixed. We've not had magazine issues in several years...but seeing the problem had affected my trust. That lack of trust is based in the mags, not the pistol. Although when shooting, small shavings of polymer do end up on my hands. I just hope for the best and keep on firing!

I still carry the gun every day and maintain it well. If given the option, I would switch to something else. The weapon itself has been reliable and shoots ok but for my small hands it is not ergonomically preferable. I'd rather have my old 96 or a 90-two.

The fact of the matter is that the main issue (the magazines) was fixed.

I'm not sure what's going on with the guide rods as I was not there to see it. My training date is at the end of the month. Something about the guns being cold (30-degrees) and then shooting them warms them us, causing the guide rods to warp or bend and the slide to not cycle properly (at least that's the way it was described to me). Maybe not a average citizen concern, but it is for us because of the unfortunate amount of time we spend in the cold!

I think our Px4s will likely be replaced within five years. Even after all that, I'll still buy mine!