Concealed Carry Shotgun?

glockjack · 11-15-2009, 22:58

Saturday, I attended the 8hr class for my CCW and passed! I cant wait for DPS to send me my card now.

This has got me thinking... Winter is upon us; thick, heavy and long clothing....You could conceal a cruiser fairly easily.

Im not saying I am, but if I can find the best rig to get that puppy to hang under my armpit, it would be an interesting day.

Any thoughts or ideas of how to carry something like this?

B.Reid · 11-16-2009, 08:40

You can get the barrel cut down for a $5.00 tax stamp as long as you don't put a stock on it!

smoke · 11-16-2009, 10:06

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Originally Posted by B.Reid

You can get the barrel cut down for a $5.00 tax stamp as long as you don't put a stock on it!

I think you are wrong about this. In order for the shotgun to qualify as an AOW, it has to be maufactured that way from the factory or other Title 2 manufacturer. It is not as easy as buying a Cruiser and having the barrel cut and never putting a stock on it.

As always, if I'm wrong please correct me!!!

BigNic · 11-16-2009, 11:07

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Originally Posted by glockjack

but if I can find the best rig to get that puppy to hang under my armpit, it would be an interesting day.

Any thoughts or ideas of how to carry something like this?

Consider this an interesting day!

Firepower Rig:

Andrews Leather
http://www.andrewsleather.com/

Harley Rider 55 · 11-16-2009, 11:25

I legally concealed carried shotguns and carbines long before Texas ever issued CHL's.

B.Reid · 11-16-2009, 11:46

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Originally Posted by Harley Rider 55

I legally concealed carried shotguns and carbines long before Texas ever issued CHL's.

HOW!

G23c · 11-16-2009, 11:48

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Originally Posted by BigNic

Consider this an interesting day!

Firepower Rig:

Andrews Leather
http://www.andrewsleather.com/

that is a serious SD setup.

glockjack · 11-16-2009, 12:30

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Originally Posted by BigNic

Consider this an interesting day!

Firepower Rig:

Andrews Leather
http://www.andrewsleather.com/

THATS EXACTLY what I'm looking for...but the price tag..ouch! Great pic tho!

space_weazel · 11-16-2009, 18:27

The $5 tax would be applicable if the shotgun was a factory pistol grip gun, and then I was sent to a Title II manufacturer and they did the work, however the wait is basically the same so spend the $195 extra and get the option to put a stock on it if you wanted.

This is the way I have read it for a while and seems to be accepted by most.

14GDHPs4ME · 11-16-2009, 18:34

I was unaware that a person could legally CC a shotgun. Really?

smoke · 11-16-2009, 18:44

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Originally Posted by space_weazel

The $5 tax would be applicable if the shotgun was a factory pistol grip gun, and then I was sent to a Title II manufacturer and they did the work, however the wait is basically the same so spend the $195 extra and get the option to put a stock on it if you wanted.

This is the way I have read it for a while and seems to be accepted by most.

That's my point. A Title 2 guy is going to charge you out the yeng-yang to cut the barrel to obtain a $5 stamp (if it would apply to a Cruizer to begin with????). Or you can pay about the same amount ($200), do the cutting yourself, and maintain all options.

amblackm · 11-16-2009, 19:32

The $5 tax stamp has nothing to do with who cuts the barrel, etc. It is for creating a Any Other Weapon (AOW), which is a short barreled pistol with a forward pistol grip (like a HK MP5) or a shotgun with a short barrel and no stock. If you want to create a Short Barrel Shotgun (SBS), which is defined as a shotgun with a stock and a barrel length less than 18 inches, then the tax stamp costs $200.

Don't try to figure out the gun laws in this country. The more you learn, the more you learn they were written for political reasons and don't make much since at all...

Andrew

Deputy206 · 11-16-2009, 20:51

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Originally Posted by BigNic

Consider this an interesting day!

Firepower Rig:

Andrews Leather
http://www.andrewsleather.com/

Now this awesome.

***Texas357*** · 11-16-2009, 21:18

What state is this? check local laws.

Shotgun not the most convenient gun to carry daily.

DaGroaner · 11-16-2009, 22:19

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Originally Posted by 14GDHPs4ME

I was unaware that a person could legally CC a shotgun. Really?

Not in my state(WA). Handguns only. That's why I bought an AK pistol.

DSM1290 · 11-17-2009, 19:03

In Ohio it has to be a gun that was manufactured to be shot with one hand.

vafish · 11-17-2009, 20:42

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Originally Posted by amblackm

The $5 tax stamp has nothing to do with who cuts the barrel, etc. It is for creating a Any Other Weapon (AOW), which is a short barreled pistol with a forward pistol grip (like a HK MP5) or a shotgun with a short barrel and no stock. If you want to create a Short Barrel Shotgun (SBS), which is defined as a shotgun with a stock and a barrel length less than 18 inches, then the tax stamp costs $200.

Don't try to figure out the gun laws in this country. The more you learn, the more you learn they were written for political reasons and don't make much since at all...

Andrew

The tax to create an AOW is still $200. Or it has to be built by a manufacturer with a SOT (IIRC about $3,000 per year).

The tax to transfer one that is already built is $5.

Noblinger · 11-17-2009, 22:59

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space_weazel · 11-18-2009, 00:16

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Originally Posted by vafish

The tax to create an AOW is still $200. Or it has to be built by a manufacturer with a SOT (IIRC about $3,000 per year).

The tax to transfer one that is already built is $5.

I concur with this, but can I assume that a AOW that a SOT builds has to come from somewhere, so can you send a pistol grip gun you purchased as a pistol grip be sent to the SOT and they build it and then transfer it? Or do the SOT's have to get virgin receivers from the original manufacturer?

Bullman · 11-18-2009, 05:39

The way I understand it, since the cruiser is sold from the manufacturer with a pistol grip on it, it can be converted for 5 bucks since it was originally made without a stock. Any shotgun originally made and sold with a shoulder stock on it, has to have the 200 buck tax stamp if it was converted to a SBS.

Of course, I could be wrong, usually am but that is how I understand it.

vafish · 11-18-2009, 10:18

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Originally Posted by Bullman

The way I understand it, since the cruiser is sold from the manufacturer with a pistol grip on it, it can be converted for 5 bucks since it was originally made without a stock. Any shotgun originally made and sold with a shoulder stock on it, has to have the 200 buck tax stamp if it was converted to a SBS.

Of course, I could be wrong, usually am but that is how I understand it.

It is $200 to manufacture an AOW and $5 to transfer it.

That's part of the reason the Serbu Shorty costs $800.

From the BATFE FAQ page.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm

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(M3) What is the tax on making an NFA firearm? [Back]

The tax is $200 for making any NFA firearm, including "any other weapon."

(M16) How does an individual obtain authorization to make an NFA firearm? [Back]

Prior to making a firearm, the individual must submit ATF Form 1, Application to Make and Register a Firearm, to the Bureau of ATF, NFA Branch, and receive approval. The applicant must follow the procedures described in Question M15 concerning photographs, fingerprints and certifications. The applicant must forward the original and a duplicate of the form along with a check or money order for $200 made payable to the Bureau of ATF. If the application is approved, the original of the form with the cancelled stamp affixed showing approval will be returned to the applicant. If the application is denied, the tax will be refunded.

Applications to make a firearm will not be approved if Federal, State, or local law prohibits possession of the firearm.

[26 U.S.C. 5822, 27 CFR 479.61-65]

Narc1911 · 11-18-2009, 22:58

If WA wasn't so lame for NFA stuff I would own a Serbu Shorty in a heartbeat.

space_weazel · 11-19-2009, 01:51

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Originally Posted by vafish

It is $200 to manufacture an AOW and $5 to transfer it.

That's part of the reason the Serbu Shorty costs $800.

From the BATFE FAQ page.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm

Hahahah! Now I'm getting the turkey you are serving, thanks for clearing that up.

Evela · 11-19-2009, 05:56

Is that a shotgun or are you just happy to see me?

vafish · 11-19-2009, 06:20

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Originally Posted by space_weazel

I concur with this, but can I assume that a AOW that a SOT builds has to come from somewhere, so can you send a pistol grip gun you purchased as a pistol grip be sent to the SOT and they build it and then transfer it? Or do the SOT's have to get virgin receivers from the original manufacturer?

I really don't know, probably would have to call the ATF or a SOT holder and ask them. You may also have problems getting the SOT holder to believe you that the shotgun has never had a but stock put on it.

But after the SOT holder charges you to make the AOW it would probably be cheaper to just SBS a used shotgun yourself and just pay the $200 tax. If you think about it you have to ship the gun to the SOT, pay them to make it and have it shipped back to you or transferred to you.