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Old 11-30-2009, 13:32   #1
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License for your house?

http://www.stealthfusion.com/big-gov...your-home.html

Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home

We encourage you to read the provisions of the Cap and Trade Bill that has passed the House of Representatives and being considered by the Senate. We are ready to join the next march on Washington! This Congress and whoever on their staffs that write this junk are truly out to destroy the middle class of the USA....


A License Required for your house

Thinking about selling your house - A look at H.R. 2454 (Cap and trade bill) This is unbelievable!


Only the beginning from this administration! Home owners take note & tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!

Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. H.R. 2454, the "Cap & Trade" bill passed by the House of Representatives, if also passed by the Senate, will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced. The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year. No one is excluded. However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure these voters get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost. Thus, you Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class America will have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else.

But wait. This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read) has many more surprises in it. Probably the worst one is this: A year from now you won't be able to sell your house. Yes, you read that right. The caveat is (there always is a caveat) that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes ("mobile homes") are included. In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator. To get this permission, you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured. Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be forced to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements. Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a "label" in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner. If you don't get a high enough rating, you can't sell. And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act.

The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he alone determines to be in the government's best interest. Requirements are set low initial y so the bill will pass Congress; then the Administrator can set much tougher new standards every year. The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings.

However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time.

Sect. 202:
Building Retrofit Program mandates a national retrofit program to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across America . Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. You had better sell soon, because the standards will be raised each year and will be really hard (i.e., ex$pen$ive) to meet in a few years. Oh, goody! The Act allows the government to give you a grant of several thousand dollars to comply with the retrofit program requirements if you meet certain energy efficiency levels. But, wait, the State can set additional requirements on who qualifies to receive the grants.

You should expect requirements such as "can't have an income of more than $50K per year", "home selling price can't be more than $125K", or anything else to target the upper middle class (and that's YOU) and prevent them from qualifying for the grants. Most of us won't get a dime and will have to pay the entire cost of the retrofit out of our own pockets. More transfer of wealth, more "change you can believe in."

Sect. 204:
Building Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance for "at least 90 percent of the residential market within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act." This means that within 5 years 90% of all residential homes in the U.S. must be measured and labeled. The EPA administrator will get $50M each year to enforce the labeling program. The Secretary of the Department of Energy will get an additional $20M each year to help enforce the labeling program. Some of this money will, of course, be spent on coming up with tougher standards each year.

Oh, the label will be like a license for your car. You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label. And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label every so often - maybe every year. But, the government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time. Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in California it would only cost $15. That was when the program started. Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate; a 333% increase. Expect the same from the home labeling program.

Sect. 304:
Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d), Application of National Code to State and Local Jurisdictions, that 1 year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and/or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.



Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home - Stealth Fusion


H.R. 2454: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us)

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Great, if Congress passes this garbage you can't even sell your house without government approval.

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Old 11-30-2009, 14:08   #2
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We need to talk to those people in congress...

We need to get their attention!

Pack you bags and leave!

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Old 11-30-2009, 15:10   #3
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Theres always those unintended consequences that things like this create. I'd bet there will be a serious increase in "mysterious fires" when people get backed into a corner and can't sell.
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Old 11-30-2009, 15:16   #4
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It is long past time for a revolution at the bAllot box. remember all of you legislators (of both parties) 2010 elections are coming soon. Be careful of how you vote on issues like the unneccessary Health Care bill, and on the outrageous Cap and Trade bill, and on gun issues. You very well could lose your seat.
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Old 12-01-2009, 09:41   #5
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Electronic Hoax?

Some people think it is.

http://briandigital.tumblr.com/post/...a-flat-out-lie

""A License Required for your house? It's a flat out lie.

Received an email forward today about H.R. 2454, stating that,

Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won’t be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. H.R. 2454, the “Cap & Trade” bill passed by the House of Representatives, if also passed by the Senate, will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced.

What the email depends upon, of course, is that you’re too lazy to read the 932 page bill that passed the House on June 26, 2009, also known as ACES (American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009)

But you don’t need to read the whole bill if you don’t want. You can read the recap from it’s author, Rep Waxman. It states, unequivocally:

ACES imposes no requirements on homeowners. Nothing in ACES will impose new requirements on the owners of America’s existing buildings. Nothing in the bill would impede upon home sales. No one will be required to make improvements, but building owners who desire can obtain assistance to increase efficiency and save money on their energy bills.

I just thought I’d put this up on the interwebs so anyone who might be fact checking this dubious email could find an easy answer. But don’t take it from me, read the bill. I did. I found every claim in the email to be entirely bogus.

Think for yourselves, people.""

The link above includes a link to the text of the law and a paper by Waxman. I'll let some of you read the legislation and report back on your findings.

Sad, I'm on a high protein diet this week so no popcorn for me while this show plays out.
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Old 12-02-2009, 07:30   #6
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How refreshing. Someone who actually wants to know the facts rather than just having a knee jerk reaction to what amounts to a load of crap.
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Old 12-02-2009, 17:30   #7
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How refreshing. Someone who actually wants to know the facts rather than just having a knee jerk reaction to what amounts to a load of crap.
Yea, just let us know how all the new taxes will work out for you if this crap bill passes.
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Old 01-18-2010, 16:54   #8
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Even Snopes has declared the E-mail FALSE:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/captrade.asp

Still, even the light skimming of the Bill and articles by those who have read it declare it is foreboding at best.

They've even revised the original bill and it's only a few TRILLION extra now.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/wm1723.cfm

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Ene...ent/wm2450.cfm

http://www.nocapandtrade.us/

The following pdf does a wonderful job of offering up the description of the "auctions" used to sell "offset" carbon credits (a real joke) and supposed income derived from confiscatory penalties levied against companies that don't play well with the horrific taxation placed upon them in order for them to do business.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/91xx/doc9120/s2191.pdf

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The Corporation created by this legislation would be responsible for auctioning the allowances created by the federal government and for spending the resulting proceeds on various initiatives, including research and development to support renewable energy technologies, workforce development programs, wildlife adaptation programs, and programs
providing financial assistance to low-income energy consumers. The Corporation effectively would be part of the federal government, and the cash flows associated with auctioning the allowances and spending the proceeds should be recorded in the federal budget. Those auctions would be carried out as part of an exercise of the government’s sovereign power.
Consequently, CBO would consider the funds generated from the annual sale of emission and consumption allowances to be federal revenues and the spending of the auction proceeds to be federal outlays.
The paragraph quoted above should tell you all you need to know about this legislation. It creates a government corporation, that sets limits on carbon emissions, sets up an arbitrary number of "allowances" or credits that are available - and sells them to the highest bidder. It is control, taxation and wealth redistribution, not to mention it further secures the stranglehold on American businesses by moving us toward a state (government) planned economy.

With the takeovers of the auto industry, banking and financial markets, threats to Wall Street, real estate (Fannie and Freddie), health care and now the manufacturing and energy producing sectors - you should begin to detect a pattern here.

And a plan.

The bill also places tremendous burdens on companies that manufacture aluminum and steel - considered 'high-carbon' industries. How do you think that will affect firearm prices? Ammunition prices?

And just where do you think these new costs upon business and builders are going to be borne? Where do you think they will be passed to and ultimately shall have to pay for them?

And the bill does require private residences recieve an energy rating, which, dependent upon household income (don't worry, if you actually work for a living, you won't be eligible) can and will affect the resale value of your home. The bill requires the states (and of course the Federal Government) to set up tremendous bureaucracies to evaluate businesses and residences and all of the data goes into databases for banks, real estate brokers and financiers and lack of submittal and compliance will be duly noted...and will affect the market value of your home adversely.

So, although the circulated E-mail is dubious, there is little doubt that the cap-and-trade (or more aptly known as cap-and tax) is going to cost American families a lot of money.

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OP: It took me 10 seconds on Snopes to determine your post is total BS. When you hear something outrageous and too bizarre to be true, like a "license for your house," it is most likely not true.

Everyone on GT would really appreciate it if the "sky is falling" people would do just a LITTLE research befor putting crap on GT. It is very easy: Google "Snopes." And then bookmark it. And then use it.
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