SBR AR. Waste of $$ or Awesome?? - Page 5

JBJ16 · 01-30-2010, 11:30

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Originally Posted by RyanExtra

So is a short barreled AR the ultimate home defense weapon or a huge waste of cash?

Just to clarify what I am talking about would be a AR pistol but with a stock. Like this but in 5.56 mm

I would defer to Will Smith (I Am Legend). He had a lot of indoor HD use with an M4 rifle against fast movers (zombies). I guess SBShotguns would be more of "the ultimate HD weapon".

KalashniKEV · 01-30-2010, 19:01

The answer is obviously awesome...

All the haters just wish their guns were this ridiculously awesome...

KalashniKEV · 01-30-2010, 19:08

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Originally Posted by lilc

If SBRs were legal where I live, I would get a 7.62x39mm "suchka" AK with a short barrel and a folding stock in a heartbeat instead of an AR.

Are you trying to say "*****" in Russian? It's "sooka" not "suchka."

AKs are great to SBR in 7.62x39mm...you don't lose as much velocity per inch as you do with the small caliber guns. They're also rock solid reliable and you don't have to mess w/ the whole menu of buffer weights, port sizes, do I wanna go piston, etc...

The badass-shorty-piston-AR in 6.8 was invented a long time ago... for cheap.

**scottMO** · 02-01-2010, 19:56

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Originally Posted by Glockdude1

SBR.

Looks like they are still approving them w/ "Zombies" as the reason. this one was approved Jan 23, 2010....

**NeverMore1701** · 02-01-2010, 20:29

Heh heh that's just great

***Glockdude1*** · 02-02-2010, 08:09

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Originally Posted by scottMO

Looks like they are still approving them w/ "Zombies" as the reason. this one was approved Jan 23, 2010....

Outstanding!!

A SBS is next on my list of my weapons to register.

ampdog · 02-03-2010, 10:56

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Originally Posted by phxfa

In answering your first and second statement, my line of work brings me around some interesting legal situations involving my clients which shows ME how flawed are legal system can be.
Im not afraid to own an NFA weapon, I have several, I just choose to not have them available/handy for a possible SD situation.
Believe me on this: If I stitch some BG with my suppressed HK-53 in MY home, its gonna hit the news, and stay there for awhile good shoot or not. Our beloved Sherriff Joe would have a field day with it NO THANKS

I am with you on this! What makes sense and what sounds right, don't always have anything to do with the legal system. The system can cause you an awful lot of pain to argue your point and it doesn't always work out for you.

GeorgiaGlockMan · 02-04-2010, 19:07

they are awsome

**NeverMore1701** · 02-04-2010, 19:25

It's been decided that I need an SBR. I'm getting exactly $200 back from the IRS, so it seems only fair that it go to the ATF

Now I just need to research setting up a Trust. Any good links with such info would be appreciated.

***Fire_Medic*** · 02-04-2010, 19:49

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Originally Posted by NeverMore1701

It's been decided that I need an SBR. I'm getting exactly $200 back from the IRS, so it seems only fair that it go to the ATF

Now I just need to research setting up a Trust. Any good links with such info would be appreciated.

Google Bob Howell and you will find everything you need. Give him a call if you need answers to any questions. He's the "godfather" of NFA trust.

TrooperBrian · 02-04-2010, 21:00

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Originally Posted by edrobert

I prefer pistol caliber AR's for HD......32rds on 9mm can be quite effective and it won't make me deaf

After I get my suppressor I thought about chopping down my barrel to make the suppressor fit under the handguard, just like that!

TrooperBrian · 02-04-2010, 21:12

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Originally Posted by NeverMore1701

It's been decided that I need an SBR. I'm getting exactly $200 back from the IRS, so it seems only fair that it go to the ATF

Now I just need to research setting up a Trust. Any good links with such info would be appreciated.

This is the one I used, took all of 10 minutes and a trip to the Notary.

Taking the Trust route to the NFA... - Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com

MaximaDrvr · 02-04-2010, 22:09

That is a great thread link. Thanks.

TrooperBrian · 02-05-2010, 08:09

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Originally Posted by MaximaDrvr

That is a great thread link. Thanks.

Not a problem.

Edro, I've been looking at that picture, how long is that barrel now? How did you get the gas system so short?

KalashniKEV · 02-05-2010, 08:35

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Originally Posted by TrooperBrian

How did you get the gas system so short?

It's a 9 Iron- no gas system.

TrooperBrian · 02-05-2010, 09:03

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Originally Posted by scottMO

Looks like they are still approving them w/ "Zombies" as the reason. this one was approved Jan 23, 2010....

Chances are if I try that I'll get "Disapproved: Illegitimate Reason, Mental Insanity"

TrooperBrian · 02-05-2010, 09:03

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Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

It's a 9 Iron- no gas system.

Ah, makes more sense then.

r1abuser · 02-06-2010, 20:36

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Originally Posted by mitchshrader

the three main criteria for home self defense is have a warning system, dog is acceptable, have a loaded firearm and be committed to shoot at identified threats till there's no threat.

weapon description matters not much. observant, prepared, and a committed mindset are 99.+ %. A single shot shotgun and three shells is not unarmed, and having a belt fed after 5 beers is suicidal lack of forethought. To pay for 3000 ft per second ammo and castrate it to the low 2000s isn't smart no matter HOW much fun you have.

Defense isn't range toy. Never has been. Fun is plenty excuse for any legal gun. Why put frills around it? Nobody cares. God save me from folks think a 2 foot fireball in a public range makes them more manly.

Keeps me to hell off the range, so I guess I oughta thank em for saving me money, but I ain't that forgiving. Remind me again how many hundreds of dollars yer gonna spend on training and fun ammo? Or is that gonna be irrelevant? Use the bluidy gun you've trained with most, with affordable reliable ammo, and go shoot every week.

done. and if you think you're in danger from humans, lemme ask you how you're fixed for fire dangers? Which are a bunch more likely to surprise ya...would you cut the hose in half on a fire extinguisher to be cooler?

LOOK UP SUCCESSFUL SD EVENTS LAST 5 YEARS.

don't take my word for it. i didn't. chopping AR's is generally as smart as chopping shotguns without a ruler and equally justifiable, or they'd ISSUE 'em.

And you ain't likely to change my mind, after four marriages it takes a lot. Stubborn I do right well.

Took me 30 years and a good talkin' to, not to mention an ammo shortage, to make me buy a .22 pistol.

You wanna convince me SBR AR's are SMART, get up real early and pack a lunch. Fun I'll give ya free. Smart, you gotta prove and ya can't.

You dont even make sense. Sometimes you should stay away from the reply button Mr. 23,000 posts.

r1abuser · 02-06-2010, 20:41

While we are on topic here is a pic of my latest creation. Its not your average AR and its not an AR15.

AR57 upper w 6" barrel, auto bolt / buffer
DMPS lower w/ 3 rd burst, DIAS
Aimpoint H1 sight w/ LaRue QD mount
5.7x28 suppressor

r1abuser · 02-06-2010, 21:02

Another nice choice if I do say so... and I do. One suggestion though... you probally will blow your ear drums out with one or more rounds through this weapon with no hearing protection if you dont run a suppressor. Inside a house I train with my suppressor on.

AR15 chambered in 6.8 SPC
POF USA 9.25" upper
Full Auto
Suppressor

vettely · 02-07-2010, 14:55

How are you guys getting full AUTO ownership?
I thought you (ie civilians) could only own those produced before 1986?

BEER · 02-07-2010, 16:12

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Originally Posted by vettely

How are you guys getting full AUTO ownership?
I thought you (ie civilians) could only own those produced before 1986?

we can not own a fully automatic weapon made after 1986, but if you're rich and willing to jump through the federal flaming hoops you can buy any full auto/burst capable weapon made before the 1986 ban. there are also "rdias" which are registered drop in auto sears made by numerous companies before the 86 ban you can buy, and if i understand the laws correctly(which is highly unlikely) a registered sear is a stand alone device of it's own so it can be freely swapped from weapon to weapon without any extra hassle.

phxfa · 02-07-2010, 17:20

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Originally Posted by r1abuser

Another nice choice if I do say so... and I do. One suggestion though... you probally will blow your ear drums out with one or more rounds through this weapon with no hearing protection if you dont run a suppressor. Inside a house I train with my suppressor on.

AR15 chambered in 6.8 SPC
POF USA 9.25" upper
Full Auto
Suppressor

Looks like a POF lower too?

SIGShooter · 02-07-2010, 17:37

In my opinion, there isn't anything wrong with an SBR (Or AR pistol) for HD.

It all really depends on the ammunition you use. Personally, I am getting ready for an SBR build, my ammunition of choice is going to be MK262 MOD1, Hornady TAP 75 Gr. BYHP or Winchester Ranger 64 Gr. Power Point.

I will also be getting a suppressor for the rifle. So the whole noise issue indoors will be a moot point.

If you have never shot indoors, I recommend a class that will allow you to do so. It is definitely an eye opener for you in regards of what to expect.

Just my .02.

SIGShooter · 02-07-2010, 17:48

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Originally Posted by TrooperBrian

This is the one I used, took all of 10 minutes and a trip to the Notary.

Taking the Trust route to the NFA... - Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com

This is the exact route that I am going for my NFA stuff.

The most expensive cost, an attorney to properly draw it all up. I'm not comfortable doing it myself. There are attorneys out there that do this stuff for a living.

For those of you who have been thinking about doing any NFA guns and aren't sure about it all...I recommend you read up on the Trust. It is a lot easier than you actually think it is.