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Old 03-12-2010, 00:57   #1
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red dot scope

What is a good red dot scope to mount on an AR. Dont want an eotech.
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Old 03-12-2010, 01:12   #2
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I like my Primary Arms red dot.
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Old 03-12-2010, 01:19   #3
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if you dont want an eotech but are willing to spend that much look at aimpoints. i'm an eotech guy myself but aimpoints are very very nice
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Old 03-12-2010, 01:36   #4
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If you have the cash for it, the Aimpoint is the gold standard in red dots.
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Old 03-12-2010, 07:08   #5
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Check out primaryarms.com.
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Old 03-12-2010, 09:23   #6
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Old 03-12-2010, 09:42   #7
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If you want "the best" get an Aimpoint, if you don't need something that rugged but more for the range the Primary Arms aimpoint clones are pretty nice.
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Old 03-12-2010, 09:58   #8
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What's your price range?

As for myself I like my Bushell Trophy red dot. The red dot changes different shapes and brightnesses. It's held up well during tactical training. Plus it's under $100 if I recall.
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Old 03-12-2010, 11:13   #9
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Aimpoint M3 all the way!!! w/ BOBRO Aimpoint 30MM Cantilever Mount - 180...awesome setup. Purchased from Primary Arms..ask for Marshall...he and Nick are outstanding!!!
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Old 03-12-2010, 12:42   #10
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Why don't you want an EOTech?
What is your price range?
What is this rifle going to be used for?
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Old 03-12-2010, 13:17   #11
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Aimpoint.

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Old 03-12-2010, 14:29   #12
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Why don't you want an EOTech?
What is your price range?
What is this rifle going to be used for?
dont like the way eotech looks. price range around $150. rifle will be used for plinking & home defense
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Old 03-12-2010, 14:31   #13
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Aimpoint.

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Old 03-12-2010, 14:37   #14
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dont like the way eotech looks. price range around $150. rifle will be used for plinking & home defense
Only optics I would reccomend in that price range are the Primary Arms Aimpoint clones, with the warning that they are not as rugged as the real thing.
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dont like the way eotech looks. price range around $150. rifle will be used for plinking & home defense
I think EOTechs look friggin' awesome...and I don't even own one.

If it's for plinking anything will do. If it's for actual defense I wouldn't go too cheap. The Primary Arms clones will probably get my vote. You won't be able to find an EOTech or Aimpoint at that price point.
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Only optics I would reccomend in that price range are the Primary Arms Aimpoint clones, with the warning that they are not as rugged as the real thing.
At $150, you're way out of price range of EOTech or Aimpoint.

Primary Arms - 4 options at their site (www.primaryarms.com) but you still have to buy mounts.

1. Microdot (H-1) clone ($80) - Gen 1 (top setting selector), Gen 2 (side setting selector)
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2. M3 Clone ($70)
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3. M4 (ish) clone ($90)
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4. Vortex ($150) StrikeFire
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Old 03-12-2010, 15:49   #17
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At $150, you're way out of price range of EOTech or Aimpoint.

Primary Arms - 4 options at their site (www.primaryarms.com) but you still have to buy mounts.

1. Microdot (H-1) clone ($80) - Gen 1 (top setting selector), Gen 2 (side setting selector)
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2. M3 Clone ($70)
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3. M4 (ish) clone ($90)
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4. Vortex ($150) StrikeFire
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so would any of these4 be ok for my needs ? are they rugged at all ?
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Old 03-12-2010, 15:56   #18
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I have the Microdot clone on my AK-74 and it has held up well without issue with 200+ rounds.

Make your own mind here with the many pages of comments on almost each of the clones mentioned above. For plinking - it's good enough.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.htm...html?b=2&f=325

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Old 03-13-2010, 10:59   #19
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If you got questions for Primary Arms, Marsh1 is their rep here on this board. He's pretty straight up and won't BS you on their products. If it's good, it's good, if it won't do something, he'll tell you.

As for myself, I got a Trijicon Reflex which I know will last about forever or at least until the half-life dims the tritium a bit and then I will have to rely on the fiber optics.
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dont like the way eotech looks. price range around $150. rifle will be used for plinking & home defense
In that price range, I would suggest you go to Primary Arms and pick out something you like.

What you are going to get is an Aimpoint clone.
I have one of the T-1 clones. It is small. So far so good.
They also make a larger Aimpoint clone.

If this is your primary optic, I see no reason to go with the small clone. I would get the larger clone with flip lids.

As far as your "rugged" question. These are not Aimpoints or EOTechs. These are not airsoft only clones. My T-1 clone has the hole drilled a little to deep (as expected). I would not want to use it in a rain forest, or go for a swim with it or....but I think it will do as a trial item until I decide if I want a real aimpoint sitting along side of my scope.
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In that price range, I would suggest you go to Primary Arms and pick out something you like.

What you are going to get is an Aimpoint clone.
I have one of the T-1 clones. It is small. So far so good.
They also make a larger Aimpoint clone.

If this is your primary optic, I see no reason to go with the small clone. I would get the larger clone with flip lids.

As far as your "rugged" question. These are not Aimpoints or EOTechs. These are not airsoft only clones. My T-1 clone has the hole drilled a little to deep (as expected). I would not want to use it in a rain forest, or go for a swim with it or....but I think it will do as a trial item until I decide if I want a real aimpoint sitting along side of my scope.
I agree with your assessment. I like the Primary arms optics for range guns.
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red dot scope

only experience ive had with "red dot" scopes are not cheap, aimpoints, eotech, and trijicon. they were great for quick eye sight alignment keeping both eyes open, just point and shoot. i would only use this with a slug gun, or something in the .223 or 7.62mm range in close distance 50 yards max.

for a scatter gun, i would just use the regular stock sights. if i needed to shoot with a rifle further away i would look in to a more traditional scope.
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only experience ive had with "red dot" scopes are not cheap, aimpoints, eotech, and trijicon. they were great for quick eye sight alignment keeping both eyes open, just point and shoot. i would only use this with a slug gun, or something in the .223 or 7.62mm range in close distance 50 yards max.

for a scatter gun, i would just use the regular stock sights. if i needed to shoot with a rifle further away i would look in to a more traditional scope.
You can effectively use red dot sights out to 300 meters if you have a quality one like an Aimpoint or a Eotech. As for their use on shotguns they also help you to be fast and precise at the same time. Which is why they are popular on shotguns in open class in three gun.
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My vote is for the Tasco. I have purposely tried to beat it up to see how it holds up, and so far so good. At the range, it functions as well as the 2 real Aimpoints I have tried. Now, I wouldn't take a swim with it or go into battle with it, but for a cool range toy until I decide which "real" aimpoint or eotech to get, it does the job and I bought almost 1k rounds of ammo with the money I saved. Besides, I think it will take me forever to figure out the exact combo of optic and riser I want anyway... so many choices, and like always, my first will be the wrong one and I will watch my wallet get thinner trying to trade/buy my way into the right one
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My vote is for the Tasco. I have purposely tried to beat it up to see how it holds up, and so far so good. At the range, it functions as well as the 2 real Aimpoints I have tried. Now, I wouldn't take a swim with it or go into battle with it, but for a cool range toy until I decide which "real" aimpoint or eotech to get, it does the job and I bought almost 1k rounds of ammo with the money I saved. Besides, I think it will take me forever to figure out the exact combo of optic and riser I want anyway... so many choices, and like always, my first will be the wrong one and I will watch my wallet get thinner trying to trade/buy my way into the right one
I have used Tasco propoints and they do ok on light recoiling weapons but I had issues with them on the Colt Anaconda I used to own in 44mag. Parts of the sight were breaking off inside the tube and obscuring the lens.
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