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Old 01-16-2010, 14:11   #161
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Gen 3's are still being made and sold
I hope they are. I am going to order a G 19 RTF2. I wonder if prices will come down on the Gen 3's when the Gen 4's hit the market in full swing?
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Old 01-16-2010, 15:53   #162
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I've tried to skim through the 7 pages of posts in this thread, but can anyone confirm if Glock is doing away with Gen 3 models all together? I hope not.

The Gen 4's look okay, but I'm not seeing anything earth-shattering in terms of improvements. About the only true advantage I see for the Gen 4's are the dual recoil system, which I do wish Glock would've made backwards compatible for the Gen 3's.

I'm not saying I wouldn't buy a Gen 4, but I'm really not seeing much here that makes me feel like I need to ditch my Gen 3's and "upgrade."

I understand Glock feels the need to be competitive with the M&P's and XD's, but the changes really seem pretty superficial to me. Think I'll cling fast to my Gen 3 models for now unless someone convinces me otherwise.
Even if they did completely do away with the earlier generations, I am sure there are enough Glocks on the street that you will still be able to find the older models for at least the next 20 or 30 years or so. If you don't want to upgrade, I wouldn't worry about it.
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Old 01-17-2010, 09:10   #163
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I think Glock will take a "wait and see" approach to see which guns are really selling. The Gen3 RTF2 guns are good, but shooters seem to prefer the Gen 3's. Whether or not Glock's customer base accepts the Gen4 or not remains to be seen. Noone REALLY knows what percentage of new gun purchasers would choose a Gen4 Glock over a Gen3 Glock or other manufacturer's model (i.e. SIG, S&W, or SA/XD). Even when Glock brought out the Gen3 guns, it was just a new frame shape (same internals), a much-improved slide finish (same internals, but with the LCI extractors), and Glock-brand Night sights available. They also re-designed mag followers. Nothing really major, but the Gen3's became the "benchmark".

Glock's SF models have been a mixed bag. The 21SF with the ambi-mag release was stillborn, and the G30SF's issues have been the subject of much discussion here. I think Glock is onto a good thing with the SF concept, and I don't see these guns going away.

The Gen4 offers the interchangeable backstraps and an improved recoil spring arrangement. Whether or not shooters who buy Glock pistols will want interchangeable backstraps is impossible to predict. What the Glock brand represents to shooters is simplicity and utilitarianism. Would a shooter selecting a new pistol choose a Glock Gen4 over an S&W M&P if both guns offered interchangeable backstraps? Or would that same customer select a Gen3 Glock over the M&P because they wanted a Glock, or the M&P because they wanted something that wasn't a Glock? In other words, will the market ever perceive a Glock pistol - no matter what it's feature list (Gen3, Gen4, RTF2) -as anything other that a Gen3 Glock, because of the image that Glock's brand-name represents? It will be a few years before we know the answer.

I think Glock's top priority should be to fix the LE market issues with the .40 G22 and G23 - decisively curing the malfunction issue with rail-mounted lights. If it takes a Gen4 design to do that, then so be it. The interchangeable backstraps will take care of Officer hand-size issues. The gun will still present all of Glock's existing advantages - easy armorer maintenance, no factory-only repairs, low parts-count, and extreme durability. Regardless of what Glock does with the Gen4, though, their primary competitors will be S&W and SigSauer. The M&P offers something Glock cannot - a magazine disconnect safety, and non-trigger-pull disassembly. SigSauer also offers something Glock cannot - optional trigger actions (DA/SA, DAK, DAO), and non-trigger-pull disassembly. SigSauer also offers a new product line with interchangeable grip frames (the P250), going WAY beyond interchangeable backstraps.

It's a three-horse race now. I'm excited.
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Old 01-17-2010, 20:48   #164
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From a closed thread: "I called Glock and asked them whether the barrels are interchangeable between 3rd and 4th. They told me that they are not."

I guess that rules out changing your G22 Gen 4 to a .357 sig. That is a bummer!
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Old 01-17-2010, 22:56   #165
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Question do you think i lucked out getting a 4th gen 22 with the serial #xxx000??
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Old 01-17-2010, 23:00   #166
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Question do you think i lucked out getting a 4th gen 22 with the serial #xxx000??
Sure! Only one person in a thousand gets that number.....with a different prefix.
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Old 01-17-2010, 23:01   #167
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Does anyone know what prefixs there doing just so i can get an idea.
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:52   #168
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Does anyone know when I will be able to purchase a Gen4 Glock 22? How much will they be running for the public?

Also, I heard that FHP is going with the Gen4 Glock 37. I would love to own a Gen4 Glock 37. Do you know when these will come out? I know it will be 17/22, 19/23,.... Anyone know when it will hit the GAP's or maybe even the subcompact models?
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Old 01-20-2010, 20:00   #169
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I'd also be curious to the answer of which parts interchange and if the AA kits will work.
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Old 01-21-2010, 11:39   #170
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I'd also be curious to the answer of which parts interchange and if the AA kits will work.

A Glock LE rep told me that the Advantage Arms kits will NOT work with the Gen 4 receivers unfortunately.

Hopefully AA is on it and comes out with a new kit ASAP.
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Old 01-21-2010, 11:58   #171
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A Glock LE rep told me that the Advantage Arms kits will NOT work with the Gen 4 receivers unfortunately.

Hopefully AA is on it and comes out with a new kit ASAP.
Somehow I don't see AA coming out with a new kit any time soon. They can't seem to make enough of the current kits.

Oh well, I still plan to get a Gen 4 17, I'll just keep my Gen 3 with the .22 conversion.
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Old 01-21-2010, 15:48   #172
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Will there be a Gen 4 with the RTF2 grip, and fish gill sides?

I like that look, but would like the new recoil spring system.
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Old 01-21-2010, 15:54   #173
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A Glock LE rep told me that the Advantage Arms kits will NOT work with the Gen 4 receivers unfortunately.

Hopefully AA is on it and comes out with a new kit ASAP.
Probably because the change in the recoil spring assembly and it's size..
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Old 01-25-2010, 14:32   #174
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Anyone know if the Gen 4 magazine catch will fit in the Gen 3 frames with modification to the Gen 3 frame by cutting a bigger hole in it. I called Glock they said you can't...It doesn't make sense to me unless the Gen 3 whole is bigger then the Gen 4 on the right side,which come to think of it, it might be what I think he said, I was distracted and not fully paying attention...
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Old 01-25-2010, 15:11   #175
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I like the idea of the interchangeable backstrap but they should have gone with SF as medium, then standard, then damn near flat.

I hate the little "dots" instead of the traditional blocks/checkered.

Not sure why they changed the guiderod design, doesn't seem to add anything.

I give it a Meh out 10.
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Old 01-26-2010, 08:17   #176
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Does anyone know if the new recoil springs really make that much of a difference, specially on the 9mm series?
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Old 01-28-2010, 15:42   #177
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Does anyone know if the new recoil springs really make that much of a difference, specially on the 9mm series?
It's .40. but did you see this...

http://pistol-training.com/archives/2455

I think that is pretty good evidence that the new gun/springs work just as well, IF NOT BETTER, than gen 3 spring assy.

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Old 01-29-2010, 21:09   #178
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Are the new recoil springs replaceable and captured like the old guide rod system? How easy will it be to replace the springs on this new duel spring system? Is there any difference in how the slide feels when you rack it?
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Old 01-30-2010, 14:35   #179
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Oh and also with this double recoil spring setup. Will the gun lose any reliability or gain any reliability? What will be the benefits to this setup? I basically want to know if I will be able to replace the springs and guide rods accordingly as needed.
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Old 01-30-2010, 19:27   #180
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will they make a 4 gen glock 19?
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