[BlackbirdSR-71]

Very nice writeup

[B Coyote]

Originally Posted by billyblooshoes

nice writeup i enjoyed it. also about the sneaky bag...where did you order it from? also, are there any "get out" bags like that one that are more suitable to a pistol/AR/carbine type setup. ie, has mag pouches for AR mags inside/outside it instead of loops for shotgun ammo.

The bag was purchased at www.onesourcetactical.com. It comes with rifle magazine pouches.

bc

[trob]

Thanks for taking the time to do that writeup. was a good read

[B Coyote]

Since it was time to rotate out the old #4 rounds for fresh, I decided to take the camera along for a couple pics of the patterns. I've searched high and low for replacements, but simply cannot find any. When this stuff is gone, I'll switch to the Ranger 00 Low Recoil that I use for everything else.

First at 5 yards:

Notice that I held slightly high, and a couple pellets left the -0 zone. Had I held slightly lower, they'd have all stayed in.

Next, at 10 yards:

Here I had two stray pellets. One wandered out of the pattern and into the -3 area to the right, and one dropped low toward the bottom of the -1. The other 25 pellets grouped nicely.

Another at 5 yards:

For grins and giggles, I went back to the five yard line and fired another. This patterned perfectly.

bc

[Troy106]

+1 great write up

[team9x19]

have you had a chance to get your hands on the winchester pdx-1 home defense ammo?
i'm using that now in my 870.

[B Coyote]

Originally Posted by team9x19

have you had a chance to get your hands on the winchester pdx-1 home defense ammo?
i'm using that now in my 870.

I have not tested it for myself....it's abnormally expensive and I have not seen it locally.

bc

[bsg1]

thanks for the review. very handsome looking shotgun as well.

[Troy106]

This is a very good thread with lots of info, thanks for the write ups

[DHart]

Excellent review, Coyote! I'm a major fan of the "old school" style pump shotgun... walnut furniture and bluing (although park is nice too!). I dislike a shotgun laden with a ton of stuff as well. For me, a good sling and a very small weapon light (like a TLR-1) are all a fighting shotgun needs. And great to hear about the Sneaky Bag, too. Great idea!

I agree the 20" 590 is a wonderful gun (I love my 18.5" 500 better*), but you're right the 20" barrel with all those shells in the mag tube, heat shield, bayonet lug makes for a relatively front heavy, long, less-wieldy shotgun. Especially if you pile on even more stuff like shell holder, large format weapon light unit, etc.

I like the stripped-down 18"ers the best myself. (My 590 is quietly fuming in the safe as I say this.)

[B Coyote]

Originally Posted by DHart

Excellent review, Coyote! I'm a major fan of the "old school" style pump shotgun... walnut furniture and bluing (although park is nice too!). I dislike a shotgun laden with a ton of stuff as well. For me, a good sling and a very small weapon light (like a TLR-1) are all a fighting shotgun needs. And great to hear about the Sneaky Bag, too. Great idea!

I agree the 20" 590 is a wonderful gun (I love my 18.5" 500 better*), but you're right the 20" barrel with all those shells in the mag tube, heat shield, bayonet lug makes for a relatively front heavy, long, less-wieldy shotgun. Especially if you pile on even more stuff like shell holder, large format weapon light unit, etc.

I like the stripped-down 18"ers the best myself. (My 590 is quietly fuming in the safe as I say this.)

Thank you for the compliment. I agree that blue/walnut looks good...but this is strictly a utility gun. Parkerizing is the only way to go, IMO.

I'm playing with adding a TLR-1 to my gun, even though my agency gun does not have one. I'm just deciding which mounting route I want to take. IMO, Surefire's dedicated forearms are the best way to mount a light, but they're just so pricey and the money simply isn't available.

bc

[DHart]

bc... Honestly, I'm not much of a fan of the Surefire forearm. Surefire makes great quality products, generally, but I've read some complaints about the forearms and they're so bulky, expensive, and limited in applicability. I don't think they're that great of a choice for most folks.

The Streamlight TLR-1 can be moved from a pistol to a shotgun in a few seconds. Provides a superb, artifact-free beam; excellent user interface; neutral to ever-so-slightly-warm tint; quite bright with a good intense central spot giving way through a very smooth and even transition from the spot to a wide, and very bright spill area. I'm a bit of a flashaholic with a lot of great lights (including Surefires) and this TLR-1 really impresses me.

The TLR-1 at around $105 is the best weapon light going, in my view. It's as useful on a pistol as on a shotgun. At the moment it's on my G21SF, but will move to a shotgun in a few seconds.

And for attachment to a shotgun, all that's needed is a small bracket with a short picatiny strip. Scott at cdmgear.com provides some great solutions for this at moderate prices. Check out his BMT and MT. And if you already have a great 1" diameter light, consider his Mod-C.

http://www.cdmgear.com

As for the finish, yes, parked is more durable, great finish for a utility application for sure. But I'm easy on my guns, so the more beautiful blued finish works for me. Either is a great choice!

Great gun and bag ya got there, buddy!

Originally Posted by B Coyote

Thank you for the compliment. I agree that blue/walnut looks good...but this is strictly a utility gun. Parkerizing is the only way to go, IMO.

I'm playing with adding a TLR-1 to my gun, even though my agency gun does not have one. I'm just deciding which mounting route I want to take. IMO, Surefire's dedicated forearms are the best way to mount a light, but they're just so pricey and the money simply isn't available.

bc

[B Coyote]

Originally Posted by DHart

bc... Honestly, I'm not much of a fan of the Surefire forearm. Surefire makes great quality products, generally, but I've read some complaints about the forearms and they're so bulky, expensive, and limited in applicability. I don't think they're that great of a choice for most folks.
>>I had the Surefire forearm in my previous M590. It was a good light but I agree, that it was kinda bulky. I never had a single issue with the light's function, however. Cost is the biggest issue with this product, IMO.

The Streamlight TLR-1 can be moved from a pistol to a shotgun in a few seconds. Provides a superb, artifact-free beam; excellent user interface; neutral to ever-so-slightly-warm tint; quite bright with a good intense central spot giving way through a very smooth and even transition from the spot to a wide, and very bright spill area. I'm a bit of a flashaholic with a lot of great lights (including Surefires) and this TLR-1 really impresses me.

The TLR-1 at around $105 is the best weapon light going, in my view. It's as useful on a pistol as on a shotgun. At the moment it's on my G21SF, but will move to a shotgun in a few seconds.
>>I'm in 100% agreement. I've carried a TLR-1 on duty for several years now and used one on my nightstand gun before that. I've compared it to the Surefire lights, as well as the Procyon, and it did just as well or better in my own unscientific on-the-range tests. Literally thousands of rounds downrange with a mounted TLR-1 on both 9mm's and .40's with zero issues. I did spring for an updated C4 model recently, and put the older light on my practice pistol. My thought is to get a TLR-1S for my duty pistol, and put the C4 light on my 870. Eh...it's all thought process at the moment.

And for attachment to a shotgun, all that's needed is a small bracket with a short picatiny strip. Scott at cdmgear.com provides some great solutions for this at moderate prices. Check out his BMT and MT. And if you already have a great 1" diameter light, consider his Mod-C.

http://www.cdmgear.com
>>Thanks for the head's up on this mount!

As for the finish, yes, parked is more durable, great finish for a utility application for sure. But I'm easy on my guns, so the more beautiful blued finish works for me. Either is a great choice!
>>I don't baby my guns. I treat them well, but scratches and dings are all character. I love how a blue/walnut gun looks, but I gotta go for the tougher finish. My concession to looks is a walnut stock, however.

Great gun and bag ya got there, buddy!
>>Thanks. They've both been excellent and made a very difficult to please person happy.
bc

My comments in red.

bc

[Shepherds_Hook_47]

awww.... sneaky bag is no more....

what happened to them?

[B Coyote]

I don't know....they're just not there anymore. Which is sad, they made a good product.

bc

[Shepherds_Hook_47]

yeah they are just poof gone....

That stinks... Well I here that http://www.onesourcetactical.com/ is trying to find someone to make their bags again....

[hoosier#17]

Nice looking shotty!

[DFin]

I have about 25 rounds in a reproduced Civil War black leather over the shoulder cartridge box carrier. It was made to carry a tin box with 40 holes in it for 40 paper .58 cal cartridges. Mine does not have the tin box.
Not exactly state of the art but it does have an external flap with a brass grommet fastener that is quick to release and an internal flap that folds over the rounds that may or may not stop s-gun shells from bouncing out.

[Truckee]

BC,
Unsure how I've missed your post for 16 months! Nice 870 and review, thanks.

I wanted a trunk bag to support the long guns that might be deployed. The criteria was a small but, capable bag that one could shoulder in a hurry. A few years ago, and post a lot of looking and reading, I chose the Sneaky Mini. The Maxpedition bags got a serious twice over but, they just never seemed to fit the nitch. Max either did too much or just not enough. And when running or rolling around, the Max didn't do.

My Sneaky is primary support to the carbine. I also added the shell carrier to service the 870 in the event the SG came out of the trunk. Like you, three Glock mags in the med pouch. I run the deluxe shoulder strap chiefly because I didn't like the OEM sleeve pad sliding around. Removing the sleeve pad, the strap dug my shoulder a bit, so I went deluxe.

I attached an off brand end pouch to the Molle. This pouch carries a med kit, knife and flashlight. I throw a bottle of water and power bars in the dump pouch; these can relocate to a pocket if necessary.

One thing I do with the bag flap is to fold it over the back, toward my belt, before securing the waist strap. This gets the flap out of my way. I've trained pretty hard that way and have rarely lost bag contents. A couple of times, an empty mag has slipped out of the dump. But, that has occurred during a lot of rolling around.

I share your minor criticisms of the main pouch (more so since the addition of the shell carrier), and of the cost. The Sneaky is exxxpensive to say the least. Especially with my two accessories adding $60 after shipping... likely why it's gone from One Source, slow sales. Sad as the Mini is great for what I need it to do.

Is someone going to email One Source and ask where the Sneaky snuck off to?

[Big_Grumpy]

The stock 870P's are a thing of beauty, and chances are even if they're "ugly"; i.e., "beat up", the things will outrun your grand kids. IMO, K.I.S.S. is all about Remington 870 shotguns.

It's relatively easy to add doo-dads to one's preference, but I agree, don't go overboard. You'd like them as mobile and deployable as possible if you're using it for defense.

BTW, B Coyote, I hope you OILED that park. Sure looks thirsty in those pics.

[B Coyote]

It's dry for the pictures.

bc

[jamaicanj]

Great review. Thanks for sharing.

Good looking bag that is not screaming "gunstuff"

[B Coyote]

Originally Posted by jamaicanj

Great review. Thanks for sharing.

Good looking bag that is not screaming "gunstuff"

That's why I like it.

bc

[B Coyote]

Originally Posted by Truckee

BC,
Unsure how I've missed your post for 16 months! Nice 870 and review, thanks.
>>Thanks for the compliment.

I wanted a trunk bag to support the long guns that might be deployed. The criteria was a small but, capable bag that one could shoulder in a hurry. A few years ago, and post a lot of looking and reading, I chose the Sneaky Mini. The Maxpedition bags got a serious twice over but, they just never seemed to fit the nitch. Max either did too much or just not enough. And when running or rolling around, the Max didn't do.
>>I have a Maxpedition bag set up for rifle mags and I'm not happy with it at all. The mags ride on the outside of the bag and really throw it off balance. I took a trip recently and converted my Mini over to rifle mags, and couldn't have been happier. I wish I'd ordered more while they were still in business.

My Sneaky is primary support to the carbine. I also added the shell carrier to service the 870 in the event the SG came out of the trunk. Like you, three Glock mags in the med pouch. I run the deluxe shoulder strap chiefly because I didn't like the OEM sleeve pad sliding around. Removing the sleeve pad, the strap dug my shoulder a bit, so I went deluxe.
>>I wasn't aware there was a different shoulder strap. Can you post a pic?

I attached an off brand end pouch to the Molle. This pouch carries a med kit, knife and flashlight. I throw a bottle of water and power bars in the dump pouch; these can relocate to a pocket if necessary.
>>Hmmm....That's a great idea.

One thing I do with the bag flap is to fold it over the back, toward my belt, before securing the waist strap. This gets the flap out of my way. I've trained pretty hard that way and have rarely lost bag contents. A couple of times, an empty mag has slipped out of the dump. But, that has occurred during a lot of rolling around.
>>I do the same thing. When the bag is deployed, the flap gets tucked. I've never lost shells, but I haven't done much rolling around with the bag.

I share your minor criticisms of the main pouch (more so since the addition of the shell carrier), and of the cost. The Sneaky is exxxpensive to say the least. Especially with my two accessories adding $60 after shipping... likely why it's gone from One Source, slow sales. Sad as the Mini is great for what I need it to do.

Is someone going to email One Source and ask where the Sneaky snuck off to?
>>I'm told they're out of business all together.

bc

My comments in red.

[Truckee]

Originally Posted by B Coyote

shoulder strap and out of business

BC, if you'll look at this bag strap, they are similar.
http://www.onesourcetactical.com/hsg...soriesbag.aspx
The Sneaky strap is curved to contour your neck. The pad is a bit wider, more padding, and is sewn to the webbing (no slip).

The Sneaky "Deluxe Shoulder Strap" seems to have been Sneaky specific. I don't see the strap anywhere on One Source. The strap was listed with the "Sneaky Bag Accessories."

If I can figure out how to post a pic, I will do so.

Sorry that bag is gone. Maybe One Source will do something different but, the same.

Thanks again BC