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Old 02-10-2010, 00:02   #21
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Ooops. Pulled the first one to the right to just outside of the -0. That was my fault and I called it as soon as I did it.

A pic of the target and range:
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Lastly: a pic of me, the gun, and the bag.
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Old 02-10-2010, 02:08   #22
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Great review! Thanks!!!
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Old 02-10-2010, 13:56   #23
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Old 02-10-2010, 16:32   #24
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nice writeup i enjoyed it. also about the sneaky bag...where did you order it from? also, are there any "get out" bags like that one that are more suitable to a pistol/AR/carbine type setup. ie, has mag pouches for AR mags inside/outside it instead of loops for shotgun ammo.
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Old 02-10-2010, 20:47   #25
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wondering if this is necessary - being sporting arms (non-MILSPEC) almost none of the shotguns are drop safe - (except the Mossberg & Saiga) - so carry mode is cruiser ready (empty chamber hammer dropped) - when the gun comes to shoulder, the slide is racked and safety stays off..., threat goes away and shotgun is returned to cruiser ready...
You are absolutely right in that most shotgun safeties only block the trigger and not the sear. I put the VC BHS on my 870P in because I figured they would teach use of the safety at a shotgun course.
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Old 02-10-2010, 21:01   #26
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Very nice writeup
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Old 02-10-2010, 22:17   #27
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nice writeup i enjoyed it. also about the sneaky bag...where did you order it from? also, are there any "get out" bags like that one that are more suitable to a pistol/AR/carbine type setup. ie, has mag pouches for AR mags inside/outside it instead of loops for shotgun ammo.
The bag was purchased at www.onesourcetactical.com. It comes with rifle magazine pouches.

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Old 02-10-2010, 22:38   #28
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Thanks for taking the time to do that writeup. was a good read
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Old 06-07-2010, 15:21   #29
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Since it was time to rotate out the old #4 rounds for fresh, I decided to take the camera along for a couple pics of the patterns. I've searched high and low for replacements, but simply cannot find any. When this stuff is gone, I'll switch to the Ranger 00 Low Recoil that I use for everything else.

First at 5 yards:
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Notice that I held slightly high, and a couple pellets left the -0 zone. Had I held slightly lower, they'd have all stayed in.

Next, at 10 yards:
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Here I had two stray pellets. One wandered out of the pattern and into the -3 area to the right, and one dropped low toward the bottom of the -1. The other 25 pellets grouped nicely.

Another at 5 yards:
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For grins and giggles, I went back to the five yard line and fired another. This patterned perfectly.

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Old 06-07-2010, 16:20   #30
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+1 great write up
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Old 06-07-2010, 16:29   #31
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have you had a chance to get your hands on the winchester pdx-1 home defense ammo?
i'm using that now in my 870.
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Old 06-07-2010, 16:48   #32
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have you had a chance to get your hands on the winchester pdx-1 home defense ammo?
i'm using that now in my 870.
I have not tested it for myself....it's abnormally expensive and I have not seen it locally.

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Old 06-15-2010, 19:26   #33
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thanks for the review. very handsome looking shotgun as well.
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Old 06-15-2010, 22:40   #34
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This is a very good thread with lots of info, thanks for the write ups
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Excellent review, Coyote! I'm a major fan of the "old school" style pump shotgun... walnut furniture and bluing (although park is nice too!). I dislike a shotgun laden with a ton of stuff as well. For me, a good sling and a very small weapon light (like a TLR-1) are all a fighting shotgun needs. And great to hear about the Sneaky Bag, too. Great idea!

I agree the 20" 590 is a wonderful gun (I love my 18.5" 500 better*), but you're right the 20" barrel with all those shells in the mag tube, heat shield, bayonet lug makes for a relatively front heavy, long, less-wieldy shotgun. Especially if you pile on even more stuff like shell holder, large format weapon light unit, etc.

I like the stripped-down 18"ers the best myself. (My 590 is quietly fuming in the safe as I say this.)
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Old 06-23-2010, 03:31   #36
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Excellent review, Coyote! I'm a major fan of the "old school" style pump shotgun... walnut furniture and bluing (although park is nice too!). I dislike a shotgun laden with a ton of stuff as well. For me, a good sling and a very small weapon light (like a TLR-1) are all a fighting shotgun needs. And great to hear about the Sneaky Bag, too. Great idea!

I agree the 20" 590 is a wonderful gun (I love my 18.5" 500 better*), but you're right the 20" barrel with all those shells in the mag tube, heat shield, bayonet lug makes for a relatively front heavy, long, less-wieldy shotgun. Especially if you pile on even more stuff like shell holder, large format weapon light unit, etc.

I like the stripped-down 18"ers the best myself. (My 590 is quietly fuming in the safe as I say this.)
Thank you for the compliment. I agree that blue/walnut looks good...but this is strictly a utility gun. Parkerizing is the only way to go, IMO.

I'm playing with adding a TLR-1 to my gun, even though my agency gun does not have one. I'm just deciding which mounting route I want to take. IMO, Surefire's dedicated forearms are the best way to mount a light, but they're just so pricey and the money simply isn't available.

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bc... Honestly, I'm not much of a fan of the Surefire forearm. Surefire makes great quality products, generally, but I've read some complaints about the forearms and they're so bulky, expensive, and limited in applicability. I don't think they're that great of a choice for most folks.

The Streamlight TLR-1 can be moved from a pistol to a shotgun in a few seconds. Provides a superb, artifact-free beam; excellent user interface; neutral to ever-so-slightly-warm tint; quite bright with a good intense central spot giving way through a very smooth and even transition from the spot to a wide, and very bright spill area. I'm a bit of a flashaholic with a lot of great lights (including Surefires) and this TLR-1 really impresses me.

The TLR-1 at around $105 is the best weapon light going, in my view. It's as useful on a pistol as on a shotgun. At the moment it's on my G21SF, but will move to a shotgun in a few seconds.

And for attachment to a shotgun, all that's needed is a small bracket with a short picatiny strip. Scott at cdmgear.com provides some great solutions for this at moderate prices. Check out his BMT and MT. And if you already have a great 1" diameter light, consider his Mod-C.

http://www.cdmgear.com

As for the finish, yes, parked is more durable, great finish for a utility application for sure. But I'm easy on my guns, so the more beautiful blued finish works for me. Either is a great choice!

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Thank you for the compliment. I agree that blue/walnut looks good...but this is strictly a utility gun. Parkerizing is the only way to go, IMO.

I'm playing with adding a TLR-1 to my gun, even though my agency gun does not have one. I'm just deciding which mounting route I want to take. IMO, Surefire's dedicated forearms are the best way to mount a light, but they're just so pricey and the money simply isn't available.

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Old 06-23-2010, 23:36   #38
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bc... Honestly, I'm not much of a fan of the Surefire forearm. Surefire makes great quality products, generally, but I've read some complaints about the forearms and they're so bulky, expensive, and limited in applicability. I don't think they're that great of a choice for most folks.
>>I had the Surefire forearm in my previous M590. It was a good light but I agree, that it was kinda bulky. I never had a single issue with the light's function, however. Cost is the biggest issue with this product, IMO.

The Streamlight TLR-1 can be moved from a pistol to a shotgun in a few seconds. Provides a superb, artifact-free beam; excellent user interface; neutral to ever-so-slightly-warm tint; quite bright with a good intense central spot giving way through a very smooth and even transition from the spot to a wide, and very bright spill area. I'm a bit of a flashaholic with a lot of great lights (including Surefires) and this TLR-1 really impresses me.

The TLR-1 at around $105 is the best weapon light going, in my view. It's as useful on a pistol as on a shotgun. At the moment it's on my G21SF, but will move to a shotgun in a few seconds.
>>I'm in 100% agreement. I've carried a TLR-1 on duty for several years now and used one on my nightstand gun before that. I've compared it to the Surefire lights, as well as the Procyon, and it did just as well or better in my own unscientific on-the-range tests. Literally thousands of rounds downrange with a mounted TLR-1 on both 9mm's and .40's with zero issues. I did spring for an updated C4 model recently, and put the older light on my practice pistol. My thought is to get a TLR-1S for my duty pistol, and put the C4 light on my 870. Eh...it's all thought process at the moment.

And for attachment to a shotgun, all that's needed is a small bracket with a short picatiny strip. Scott at cdmgear.com provides some great solutions for this at moderate prices. Check out his BMT and MT. And if you already have a great 1" diameter light, consider his Mod-C.

http://www.cdmgear.com
>>Thanks for the head's up on this mount!

As for the finish, yes, parked is more durable, great finish for a utility application for sure. But I'm easy on my guns, so the more beautiful blued finish works for me. Either is a great choice!
>>I don't baby my guns. I treat them well, but scratches and dings are all character. I love how a blue/walnut gun looks, but I gotta go for the tougher finish. My concession to looks is a walnut stock, however.

Great gun and bag ya got there, buddy!
>>Thanks. They've both been excellent and made a very difficult to please person happy.
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awww.... sneaky bag is no more....

what happened to them?
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I don't know....they're just not there anymore. Which is sad, they made a good product.

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