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Old 12-29-2009, 07:16   #1
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10mm winchester 175gr silvertips

was wondering if this is a good sd brand of ammo?
i have a glock29 and in the market for some sd ammo and came across this stuff.
please give me your input on this stuff and any other brand that might be as good or better thanks
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Old 12-29-2009, 07:21   #2
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if you want the real Ten i would try corbon, buffalo bore, ect,..
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Old 12-29-2009, 07:38   #3
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If you want the real 10 buy a real barrel (aftermarket) and handload. Check the 10mm reloading forum for results.
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Old 12-29-2009, 07:45   #4
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Win STHP are a good mid power 10mm load. Cor-Bon makes good mid power loadings also but are expensive.

Buffalo Bore is full power but expensive. Georgia Arms is mid power and reasonably priced.

Double Tap makes reasonably price full power 10mm loads.
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Old 12-29-2009, 08:14   #5
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Winchester Sliver Tips work just fine in mine G20 and are quite accurate.
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Old 12-29-2009, 08:34   #6
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And easy to shoot. I don't they would make that big of difference in a SD shooting to be overly concern with. Their's also too distinct packages for this round the older boxes are suppose to be slightly faster.
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Old 12-29-2009, 20:16   #7
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was wondering if this is a good sd brand of ammo?
i have a glock29 and in the market for some sd ammo and came across this stuff.
please give me your input on this stuff and any other brand that might be as good or better thanks
I don't like the 10mm 175gr Silvertip load. Tested them along side some other bullet designs (XTPs and Gold Dots) and the Silvertips were the only ones that didn't expand reliably in various forms of media. Only backyard testing, but the XTPs and GDs didn't take issue, where the Silvertips did. Simply can't trust them, let alone when my life is on the line.
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what medium did you use?

i used capped plastic jugs filled with water....the thickness of the plastic was a bit more than the stadard one gallon milk jug type but plastic none the less......from 15~ feet i got good expansion, good penetration, and good retained weight from the STHP.

dont know what else to say except the ones i tried worked well in my own back yard testing... ><img src="http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff256/JerryS357/101_0005.jpg" border="0" alt="10mm test slugs"></a>Caliber Corner


somewhere in the 10mm section i posted what the recovered weights and diameters were....
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what medium did you use?
Water filled jugs, wet newspaper, mud, wet sand, wood in front of water jugs...

And except in the water filled jugs and mud, the Silvertips wouldn't always expand, where the XTPs and GDs did in all test mediums, AND, I fired multiple rounds of each into everything.

You know what's really scary.....the Double Tap 155gr Gold Dots @ 1400fps that I like so much, expand to .88" in bone dry super hard pack dirt in less than two inches penetration! Those things are wicked!
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Old 12-29-2009, 22:41   #10
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I alway keep several boxes of 175 grain Winchester Silvertip in my ammo box. Winchester has had this load on the market for many years. I do not think Winchester would be able to market the 175 grain Silvertip for as long as they have if it did not get the job done. They have a similar load in the 41 Magnum that has a good reputation. Both of these Silvertip loads have been used on Deer and other medium sized game with good results. I would carry it for SD or protection from medium sized animals or viscious dogs with no worry.
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Old 12-30-2009, 19:48   #11
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Howdy glock20c10mm,

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I don't like the 10mm 175gr Silvertip load. Tested them along side some other bullet designs (XTPs and Gold Dots) and the Silvertips were the only ones that didn't expand reliably in various forms of media. Only backyard testing, but the XTPs and GDs didn't take issue, where the Silvertips did. Simply can't trust them, let alone when my life is on the line.


I carry Win ST in my G20. I have been using Win ST in 10mm since the mid/late 80's. I have used them in combat, and for hunting and they are the best SD/HD/hunting round on the market.

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This is a Win 175gr ST. It expanded to 1.02" at the widest point and penetrated over 17".

9mm round next to it only expanded to about .62" and penetrated about 9" in the same test media.

Some of the DT and Buffalo loads or way overpressure and do not live up to the hype or velocity claims.

For me, I will stick will a proven load, the Win 175gr ST.

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Some of the DT and Buffalo loads or way overpressure and do not live up to the hype or velocity claims.
They are not overpressure. Who fed you that nonsense?

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Hey, if you think they work great, more power to ya. I tested other bullet designs along side them, and the Silvertips were the lowest performers, period. I have no interest in arguing it, simply posting my own observations.

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Old 12-30-2009, 21:18   #13
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The only squib I've ever had was a winch. silver tip. Packed the rest away after that.

Corbon or DT for me.
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If I remember correctly, the FBI started looking at different calibers/cartridges (i.e., the .40 S&W) after a few shootings with the 10mm were less than impressive. Over-penetration was the common thread, and the load they settled on matched the 185gr .45 load...which lead to the development of the .40.
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Old 12-30-2009, 21:26   #15
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If I remember correctly, the FBI started looking at different calibers/cartridges (i.e., the .40 S&W) after a few shootings with the 10mm were less than impressive. Over-penetration was the common thread, and the load they settled on matched the 185gr .45 load...which lead to the development of the .40.
There is absolutely no truth to anything written in this paragraph.
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They are not overpressure. Who fed you that nonsense?


Hey, if you think they work great, more power to ya. I tested other bullet designs along side them, and the Silvertips were the lowest performers, period. I have no interest in arguing it, simply posting my own observations.

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Overpressure? Look at the primers. No doubt they are overpressure.

I've tested other bullets too. In my backyard and on the battlefield. I'll stick with the SilverTips.

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If I remember correctly, the FBI started looking at different calibers/cartridges (i.e., the .40 S&W) after a few shootings with the 10mm were less than impressive. Over-penetration was the common thread, and the load they settled on matched the 185gr .45 load...which lead to the development of the .40.
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There is absolutely no truth to anything written in this paragraph.
You do not remember correctly.

The only problem the FBI had with the S&W 1006/1076 and 10mm round was with their agents.

+95% of the FBI agents were not/are not gun people.

Plus most of the FBI agents are small to medium framed men and add in the women and the S&W pistol was too big and the full power 10mm round, the Win ST had too much recoil for them to handle the pistol.

So the FBI switched to the 10mm "lite" load.

The agents continued to complain about the size and weight of the S&W pistol.

This all lead to the .40S&W round and pistols being made.

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If I remember correctly, the FBI started looking at different calibers/cartridges (i.e., the .40 S&W) after a few shootings with the 10mm were less than impressive. Over-penetration was the common thread, and the load they settled on matched the 185gr .45 load...which lead to the development of the .40.
Ah, the emergence of another "internet myth"...

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The only problem the FBI had with the S&W 1006/1076 and 10mm round was with their agents.

+95% of the FBI agents were not/are not gun people.

Plus most of the FBI agents are small to medium framed men and add in the women and the S&W pistol was too big and the full power 10mm round, the Win ST had too much recoil for them to handle the pistol.

So the FBI switched to the 10mm "lite" load.

The agents continued to complain about the size and weight of the S&W pistol.

This all lead to the .40S&W round and pistols being made.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi_10mm_notes.pdf
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if you want the real Ten i would try corbon, buffalo bore, ect,..
The WinSTHP is a real 10. The 175grSTHP does 1250fps+ from my Delta or 1006. Unless you buy boutique ammo from DT or BB, it's a good load, expands well & drives deep enough.
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+95% of the FBI agents (ALL LEO) were not/are not gun people.
Plus most of the FBI agents are small to medium framed men and add in the women and the S&W pistol was too big and the full power 10mm round, the Win ST had too much recoil for them to handle the pistol.
THis is the correct answer. The S&W is a huge pistol for anyone w/ less than average handsize not to mention the weight for CC, which is what all FBI do. If the G29 had been around then, maybe they would still be carrying the 10mm.
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You do not remember correctly.

The only problem the FBI had with the S&W 1006/1076 and 10mm round was with their agents.

+95% of the FBI agents were not/are not gun people.

Plus most of the FBI agents are small to medium framed men and add in the women and the S&W pistol was too big and the full power 10mm round, the Win ST had too much recoil for them to handle the pistol.

So the FBI switched to the 10mm "lite" load.

The agents continued to complain about the size and weight of the S&W pistol.

This all lead to the .40S&W round and pistols being made.

Paul
No, it was a magazine article written by Massad Ayoob (99% sure it was him) about the .40 S&W (I know, I know...some love him, some hate him, some don't care one way or another...), back around the mid 90's....I still have it, I'll have to dig it out. I think it was in Guns & Ammo. He mentioned that the 175gr Silvertip didn't perform any better than the 185gr .45, and had issues with over-penetration with the 175gr full-power loads, as well as the weight/bulk complaint of some agents.

Checking one of those one-shot-stop sites...

http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppi...r=1&Weight=All


It seems to be just as effective as the other loads for it, without over-penetration concerns.

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I would say go for the 175gr Silvertips. I've heard some lots average on the slow side (~1150fps), but that's still not bad. I handload my Silvertips using Longshot, and get around 1365 fps avg. out of the G20.
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Howdy,

The Win ST is rated at 1290ft/sec out of a 5.5" barrel and out of my stock barrel G20 the run about 1,260ft/sec over a chrony.

I have used them to kill coyotes and have seen what they do to people in combat (No, I'm not claiming to have shot anybody before. Not saying I haven't either.) and like I posted before, I'll stick with them.

One thing to remember is that the Win 175gr ST bullet/load was developed for the 10mm and not for the .40S&W. I have had poor results using .40S&W bullets that were driven at 10mm speeds. The basically blow apart w/out and penetration.

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Howdy,

The Win ST is rated at 1290ft/sec out of a 5.5" barrel and out of my stock barrel G20 the run about 1,260ft/sec over a chrony.

I have used them to kill coyotes and have seen what they do to people in combat (No, I'm not claiming to have shot anybody before. Not saying I haven't either.) and like I posted before, I'll stick with them.

One thing to remember is that the Win 175gr ST bullet/load was developed for the 10mm and not for the .40S&W. I have had poor results using .40S&W bullets that were driven at 10mm speeds. The basically blow apart w/out and penetration.

Paul
Handloaded 175grWSTHP will also fail to expand @ 40S&W vel. From both my 5" 10mm, the factory load does pretty close to 1250fps & expand well in wetpack & water jugs. I prefer a handloaded 165gr RGS @ 1300fps, but not for SD?HD unless I happen to be using a handload for woods carry.
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