[polkhigh]

LMT CQB MRP Defender Model 16
Colt 6940
Daniel Defense M4 Carbine

I am in the market for AR and have narrowed it down to these three. I actually had it down to the LMT and Colt but just found a deal on the DDM4 that I might not be able to give up ($1295). However, I am not too fond of the extended rail of the DDM4.

I've looked at the "chart" and I think anyone of these will be a great rifle, but wanted to get some opinions from the crowd, first hand experience?

Any advice for this AR newb?

[Kegel]

Originally Posted by polkhigh

LMT CQB MRP Defender Model 16
Colt 6940
Daniel Defense M4 Carbine

I am in the market for AR and have narrowed it down to these three. I actually had it down to the LMT and Colt but just found a deal on the DDM4 that I might not be able to give up ($1295). However, I am not too fond of the extended rail of the DDM4.

I've looked at the "chart" and I think anyone of these will be a great rifle, but wanted to get some opinions from the crowd, first hand experience?

Any advice for this AR newb?

Get a Noveske and be done with it. You'll never look back.

[markman]

You should also take a look at what Bravo Co. offers.

[faawrenchbndr]

Either of the three would be a fine choice.
But, I'd agree with Kegel, a Noveske would be the shiznits!

[NeverMore1701]

Agree with taking a look at Noveske and BCM. I personally went with Bravo, just because I like building my own.

[Chuck TX]

Can't go wrong with any of those. My choice would be a BCM Middy (or Noveske Recce if it's in your price range).

[joe138]

I have both the Colt and LMT. By far that LMT is my favorite. The ability to change barrels easily is a plus. (I intend to SBR it someday.) To me the quality of the LMT beats the Colt, an example is the front sight on the Colt.

[Kegel]

It was between the LMT and Noveske Recce when I bought mine. The mid length gas system and barrel is what sold me.

[DrMaxit]

I just bought a Bravo Co. middy and it is very nice. Shoots really well and is very high quality stuff. I got the one with the DD Lite rail on it and put an Eotech 512 and a surefire on the side on my Bushmaster lower. Very happy with it and it shoots like a dream.

[faawrenchbndr]

Originally Posted by DrMaxit

I just bought a BCM middy and it is very nice. Shoots really well and is very high quality stuff. I got the one with the DD Lite rail on it and put an Eotech 512 and a surefire on the side on my Bushmaster lower. Very happy with it and it shoots like a dream.

I know a guy that's been trying to decide on an upper.
That has been one of his choices, that one is a great deal!

[DrMaxit]

Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr

I know a guy that's been trying to decide on an upper.
That has been one of his choices, that one is a great deal!

Yeah if you say so, 1100 bucks or something, but I got the BFH option and the bolt/carrier group. Probably better deals out there but it is one sweet piece.

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-1...bfh%20ddl9.htm

[HogGlocker]

From years of using and toting this weapon through good, bad, ugly and worse.....not trying to spill any of the kool-aid out of the Colt cup either.....I'd say go LMT or the Bravo components.

Noveske...sure...seriously good hardware.

LMT or Bravo will serve you just as well and you can have some extra boot for necessary items.

[RMTactical]

I would definitely include BCM into your consideration.

[USMC03]

LMT make an excellent AR. I own 4 of their standard AR's. That being said every person that I personally know that has purchased a LMT MRP, ended up selling it.

I have 3 Colt LE6920's. I have shot the Daniel Defense guns but have never owned one.

I wrote the following on another forum a few hours ago:

I own 3 Colt LE6920's. I own several BCM guns.

I have used both at work, in training classes, training at work, personal training, and in competition.

If you look at rob_s' comparison and spec charts: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...jFwPrgTA&gid=5 you can see that they are exactly the same as far as features go (BCM has one more check mark - Lifetime Warranty).

With the Colt you are limited to basically a 11.5" barrel, 16" carbine barrel, or 20" rifle barrel.

BCM is over $100 less than Colt and BCM offers 11.5" barrels, 12.5" barrels, 14.5" carbine and mid legnt barrels, 16" carbine and mid-length barrels, 18" barrels, 20" barrels, and they also include complete uppers with rail systems from KAC, Larue, Daniel Defense, Midwest Industries, PRI, and others.


There is a reason BCM has become so popular. Quality that is on par with Colt, cheaper price, outstanding customer service, supporter of the Wounded Warrior project, supporter of the shooting sports (competition & training classes), and limitless choices.



I would take a hard look at www.bravocompanyusa.com ...... superior product, excellent customer service, outstanding price.

[pleaforwar]

Originally Posted by USMC03

LMT make an excellent AR. I own 4 of their standard AR's. That being said every person that I personally know that has purchased a LMT MRP, ended up selling it.

I have 3 Colt LE6920's. I have shot the Daniel Defense guns but have never owned one.

I wrote the following on another forum a few hours ago:

I own 3 Colt LE6920's. I own several BCM guns.

I have used both at work, in training classes, training at work, personal training, and in competition.

If you look at rob_s' comparison and spec charts: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...jFwPrgTA&gid=5 you can see that they are exactly the same as far as features go (BCM has one more check mark - Lifetime Warranty).

With the Colt you are limited to basically a 11.5" barrel, 16" carbine barrel, or 20" rifle barrel.

BCM is over $100 less than Colt and BCM offers 11.5" barrels, 12.5" barrels, 14.5" carbine and mid legnt barrels, 16" carbine and mid-length barrels, 18" barrels, 20" barrels, and they also include complete uppers with rail systems from KAC, Larue, Daniel Defense, Midwest Industries, PRI, and others.


There is a reason BCM has become so popular. Quality that is on par with Colt, cheaper price, outstanding customer service, supporter of the Wounded Warrior project, supporter of the shooting sports (competition & training classes), and limitless choices.



I would take a hard look at www.bravocompanyusa.com ...... superior product, excellent customer service, outstanding price.

Jeff,
Out of curiosity, what is your relationship with Bravo Company? I have noticed that your photographs and website show watermarks bearing the BCM logo, yet you refer to Bravo Company as if you are only an enthusiast.

Please don't take this post as being accusative, I'm just confused on the matter.

Semper Fi,
Dan

ETA: To the OP, all of the choices you listed are excellent rifles. If you decide that the monolithic setup is most important to you, then I would go with the Colt. If you don't care about that aspect, then I would go with the Daniel Defense. That being said, my opinion is completely subjective. You can't go wrong with the options you listed.

[Glock-it-to-me]

I've got the Daniel Defense and it's perfect.

[crusader4x]

I went with the BCM middy just a couple of months ago. LOVE IT!

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by polkhigh

LMT CQB MRP Defender Model 16
Colt 6940
Daniel Defense M4 Carbine

I am in the market for AR and have narrowed it down to these three. I actually had it down to the LMT and Colt but just found a deal on the DDM4 that I might not be able to give up ($1295). However, I am not too fond of the extended rail of the DDM4.

I've looked at the "chart" and I think anyone of these will be a great rifle, but wanted to get some opinions from the crowd, first hand experience?

Any advice for this AR newb?

You will learn to love the extended rail as it allows you to put your light up front and your hand where it belongs on the hand guard. Plus the DD is a hell of a deal right now.
Pat

[lawman800]

I like the full extended rails like the Colt Monolithic and Stag 2HT. Seamless rail so you can mount whatever you want and not worry about the gaps for the delta ring getting in the way or whatnot.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by pleaforwar

Jeff,
Out of curiosity, what is your relationship with Bravo Company? I have noticed that your photographs and website show watermarks bearing the BCM logo, yet you refer to Bravo Company as if you are only an enthusiast.

Please don't take this post as being accusative, I'm just confused on the matter.

Semper Fi,
Dan

ETA: To the OP, all of the choices you listed are excellent rifles. If you decide that the monolithic setup is most important to you, then I would go with the Colt. If you don't care about that aspect, then I would go with the Daniel Defense. That being said, my opinion is completely subjective. You can't go wrong with the options you listed.

USMC03 is a regular and respected poster here and a moderator at other forums. He is only plugging a company he has had good luck with. Hell I will plug Bravo Company they are great!!
Pat

[pleaforwar]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

USMC03 is a regular and respected poster here and a moderator at other forums. He is only plugging a company he has had good luck with. Hell I will plug Bravo Company they are great!!
Pat

Pat,
I am fully familiar with USMC03's moderation at other forums and his posts here. My question was directed towards him, and while I appreciate you throwing in your .02¢, I never questioned whether he is a regular or a respected poster. I am asking what his relationship with BCM is, having seen posts in several forums created by him bearing the BCM watermark (including our own photograph thread). I have also noticed that the 03 Design Group is directly linked from the Bravo Company website.

I personally thought he may have had a role like Stickman, who happens to be a photographer for Magpul. That being said, I did not know, and being that I was ignorant on the issue I felt the desire to just ask.

I hope you didn't take my original post as being confrontational, as I also hope that USMC03 doesn't take it that way when he reads it. That is why I specifically added that I was not trying to be accusative by my inquiry.

[Nutt51]

Polkhigh,

Colt, and LMT are excellent guns. I have never owned a Daniel D, so
I can't comment on it.
I am going to throw my hat in the ring for Bravo, BCM.
I ordered a BCM mid-length upper. I also ordered the BCM bolt group
and gunfighter charging handle. I was going to use it with my Colt lower,
but I liked it so much that I ordered a BCM lower, which should be in
this week. Now I will have a complete BCM rifle.
I am just a repeat customer and have no affiliation with them, but
they are A1 in my book. Just keep them in mind.
I really like the Middy length which Colt does not offer.

[kabob983]

Originally Posted by joe138

I have both the Colt and LMT. By far that LMT is my favorite. The ability to change barrels easily is a plus. (I intend to SBR it someday.) To me the quality of the LMT beats the Colt, an example is the front sight on the Colt.

I debate that. LMT lacks an H buffer, park under the FSB (or in this case, the gas block), tapered FSB pins on their standard sights, etc. It might look prettier but build quality/quality of parts used the Colt wins. As for the front sight...I'd prefer it if both of them had a standard fixed FSB...

Originally Posted by USMC03

LMT make an excellent AR. I own 4 of their standard AR's. That being said every person that I personally know that has purchased a LMT MRP, ended up selling it.

I have 3 Colt LE6920's. I have shot the Daniel Defense guns but have never owned one.

I wrote the following on another forum a few hours ago:

I own 3 Colt LE6920's. I own several BCM guns.

I have used both at work, in training classes, training at work, personal training, and in competition.

If you look at rob_s' comparison and spec charts: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...jFwPrgTA&gid=5 you can see that they are exactly the same as far as features go (BCM has one more check mark - Lifetime Warranty).

With the Colt you are limited to basically a 11.5" barrel, 16" carbine barrel, or 20" rifle barrel.

BCM is over $100 less than Colt and BCM offers 11.5" barrels, 12.5" barrels, 14.5" carbine and mid legnt barrels, 16" carbine and mid-length barrels, 18" barrels, 20" barrels, and they also include complete uppers with rail systems from KAC, Larue, Daniel Defense, Midwest Industries, PRI, and others.

BCM doesn't offer a 14.5" middy (yet) and the 18" barrels aren't out yet. Other than that I agree. I've got 3 6920's and a BCM 16" middy and I love 'em all. The BCM is certainly prettier but they all shoot very well. The BCM is what I shoot most often.

Originally Posted by pleaforwar

Pat,
I am fully familiar with USMC03's moderation at other forums and his posts here. My question was directed towards him, and while I appreciate you throwing in your .02¢, I never questioned whether he is a regular or a respected poster. I am asking what his relationship with BCM is, having seen posts in several forums created by him bearing the BCM watermark (including our own photograph thread). I have also noticed that the 03 Design Group is directly linked from the Bravo Company website.

I personally thought he may have had a role like Stickman, who happens to be a photographer for Magpul. That being said, I did not know, and being that I was ignorant on the issue I felt the desire to just ask.

I hope you didn't take my original post as being confrontational, as I also hope that USMC03 doesn't take it that way when he reads it. That is why I specifically added that I was not trying to be accusative by my inquiry.

From what I understand he designed the "BCM 03 MSF chest harness" that was recently released, so I assume they're business partners. That said, it looks like a fantastic rig and BCM makes absolutely top notch products so I've no quarrel whatsoever with what he's saying.

As for the OP's question if it's between the three you listed I'd go with the DD is price is what you're looking at or the 6940 if you want a monolithic upper. LMT isn't bad, I'm just not as much of a fan of cutting corners on parts to save a few bucks.

If you'd consider adding other MFR's I think the Noveske is a phenominal product but it is very expensive. As mentioned by many price for what you get BCM is tough to beat. The same mil-spec components/tolerances but at a lower price. They'll be releasing a 14.5" middy sometime next year and I'll have to pick one up, until then my 16" is getting the job done. Assembling your own AR is VERY easy (if you ever intend to clean your rifle you'll disassemble it to the same level anyways). Pick up a BCM upper, BCG, charging handle, and lower and you're ready to go.

[pleaforwar]

Originally Posted by kabob983

From what I understand he designed the "BCM 03 MSF chest harness" that was recently released, so I assume they're business partners. That said, it looks like a fantastic rig and BCM makes absolutely top notch products so I've no quarrel whatsoever with what he's saying.

Thank you for a little clarification. My posts were in no shape or form an attempt to denigrate Bravo Company's products. They do make some excellent stuff.

To the OP, please forgive me as I was not trying to hijack your thread. If anyone wants to discuss this any further please send me a PM rather than posting in this thread.

[jbremount]

Originally Posted by polkhigh

LMT CQB MRP Defender Model 16
Colt 6940
Daniel Defense M4 Carbine

I am in the market for AR and have narrowed it down to these three. I actually had it down to the LMT and Colt but just found a deal on the DDM4 that I might not be able to give up ($1295). However, I am not too fond of the extended rail of the DDM4.

I've looked at the "chart" and I think anyone of these will be a great rifle, but wanted to get some opinions from the crowd, first hand experience?

Any advice for this AR newb?

My free 2cents/opinion/advice.......think out the box....look at a good piston AR gun!