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Old 04-09-2008, 13:16   #1
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147gr Federal HST's are the MOST effective 9mm round available.

Even more so than Winchester Ranger-T series.

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Old 04-09-2008, 13:40   #2
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Be Serious !!!

This is so far away from reality as to be ludicrous.
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Old 04-09-2008, 13:52   #3
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I'm Cereal.

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Old 04-09-2008, 14:18   #4
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Tell you what, Have someone shoot you in the arm with one of each and tell me which hurts more.
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Old 04-09-2008, 14:46   #5
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I'll bite - did arf.com ban you?

they are both excellent cartridges... you're spiltting hairs

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Old 04-09-2008, 14:54   #6
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I'll bite - did arf.com ban you?

they are both excellent cartridges... you're spiltting hairs

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NOT that it has anything to do with it...But yes.

And while I may be splitting hairs, the HST comes out the larger hair IMHO.
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Old 04-09-2008, 15:24   #7
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And while I may be splitting hairs, the HST comes out the larger hair IMHO.
I could argue that the sharp talons of the Winchester Ranger T add an additional wound mechanism to the equation: cutting.

Based on a decision between the two loads, i'd go for whatever one is most accurate outta my pistol
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Old 04-09-2008, 15:44   #8
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If your gonna stir the pot, lets get real and just do it already. You've got to mention how it performs better than the 10mm.
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Old 04-09-2008, 16:12   #9
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Search for HST... previous threads had comparison pictures and what not along with expansion rates and retained bullet weight, etc. I prefer HST, but I'm sure Ranger has its fans as well.
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Old 04-09-2008, 16:52   #10
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Search for HST... previous threads had comparison pictures and what not along with expansion rates and retained bullet weight, etc. I prefer HST, but I'm sure Ranger has its fans as well.
Agreed. In most test I have seen, it appears that the HST expands larger and nastier than any other design, with the Ranger a close 2nd.

The 147gr HST is my SD ammo of choice.
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Old 04-09-2008, 16:54   #11
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While I hate these threads...I just gotta ask...because I'm a true believer...what about Speer 147gr GDHP?
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Old 04-09-2008, 17:06   #12
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While I hate these threads...I just gotta ask...because I'm a true believer...what about Speer 147gr GDHP?
don't forget the Remington 147gr Golden Saber as well
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Old 04-09-2008, 17:08   #13
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any "premium" 9mm round is probably going to be as effective as any other premium round. It all boils down to preferences of the shooter...and the accuracy of the round from your weapon.

The best 9mm round??? I would prefer a 12 ga revolver that weighs 10 oz and has no recoil
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Old 04-09-2008, 17:08   #14
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Either HST or Ranger T over Gold Dot any day of the week.
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Old 04-09-2008, 17:10   #15
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a handgun is to be used to fight your way back to your rifle
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Old 04-09-2008, 17:30   #16
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While I hate these threads...I just gotta ask...because I'm a true believer...what about Speer 147gr GDHP?
I feel that as they are a bonded bullet, they're more for penetrating obstacles than tearing flesh.

I'd consider them a close 3rd or maybe for a backup magazine.

Wanna see a gold dot taken to it's ballistic limit? Check this out, posted at another site I'm fond of, Arizonashooting.com...

Regular 115gr Gold Dot
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Double Tap 124gr Gold Dot +P:
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Only penetrated 3 water jugs however. More pictures may be seen here.
(Crap, it won't let me post it for some reason...)
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Old 04-09-2008, 17:36   #18
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Old 04-09-2008, 17:38   #19
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Old 04-09-2008, 17:41   #21
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#7 The 147gr HST looks to be king of the hill to me.
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Old 04-09-2008, 18:05   #22
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Like I said, I dumped Speer GDHP like nobody's business for Federal HST, but to each their own . Carry what you're confident in, not what someone else is. Confidence is more important than statistics in my opinion.
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Old 04-09-2008, 18:15   #23
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#7 The 147gr HST looks to be king of the hill to me.
Expansion is good, but one piece of information is missing, and that is retained weight.
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Old 04-09-2008, 18:21   #24
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Actually the HST line excels in retained weight as well as expansion. I can't find the link right now, but when I do I will post it...

EDIT: Found one of them...
http://shootingmessengers.blogspot.c...-workshop.html

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Previous and current generations of hollow point rounds were and are designed to expand
to 1.5 times the original bullet diameter. Federal’s HST rounds were engineered to
expand well beyond twice the original diameter in bare gelatin.

Federal HST 45 ACP – 1.043”/.452” = 2.31 times larger than its original diameter
Federal HST 40 S&W – 0.945”/.40” = 2.36 times larger than its original diameter
Federal HST 9mm – 0.891”/.356” = 2.5 times larger than its original diameter

Bullet Caliber/Weight Penetration Expansion Retained Weight

Federal HST 45 ACP... 230 gr... 12.75”... 1.043”... 100.96%
Winchester SXT 45 ACP... 230 gr... 12.5”... 0.795”... 100.61%
Remington GS 45 ACP... 185 gr... 14.0”... 0.730”... 100.38%

Federal HST 40 S&W...180 gr... 11.5”... 0.945”... 101.78%
Winchester SXT 40 S&W...180 gr... 13.5”...0.658”... 92.67%

Federal HST 9mm...147 gr...11.5”... 0.891”...101.5%
Federal HST 9mm...124 gr...11.75”...0.839”... 101.05%
Winchester SXT 9mm...127 gr...16.0”...0.718”...94.49%

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Old 04-09-2008, 18:36   #25
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Somewhat impractical if your rifle is at home and you are at the mall!
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