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Old 01-01-2010, 22:09   #26
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Old 01-01-2010, 22:42   #27
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Ranger T in any cal (357 SIG & 45 ACP) here
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Old 01-01-2010, 22:56   #28
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Federal 115 gr (standard load) or Federal HST.
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Old 01-01-2010, 22:56   #29
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Old 01-01-2010, 23:00   #30
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Speer Gold Dot 124gr. +P. They are lot harder to find than they used to be though.
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Old 01-02-2010, 00:46   #31
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Thank you all for your recommendations on ammo as well as emphasis on practice, practice, practice (importance of shot placement). I understand and agree.
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Old 01-02-2010, 01:07   #32
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In alphabetical order: Fed HST 124 gr +P, Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P and Winchester 127gr +P+.

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Old 01-02-2010, 01:10   #33
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Speer Gold Dot 124gr +p IMO is your best bet
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Old 01-02-2010, 01:15   #34
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test any ammo for reliability...my G19C hates HST, and the only ammo I've shot hundreds of rounds through, with 0 problems, is the EFMJ i posted earlier in the thread


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Old 01-02-2010, 01:50   #35
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I like Winchester Ranger in any flavor, but like Robin said there are a lot of them out there.

I agree completely, they rock!!
I also agree to test them out a few mags worth before commeting to carry them.
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Old 01-02-2010, 03:38   #36
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Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement.....guys get WAY too hung up on this topic to the point that the uneducated and untrained begin to rely solely on internet information to defend themselves. Practice your ass off with that G19 and carry some good name brand hollow points. A certain type of bullet isn't going to make a lick of difference when you're scrambling for your gun and for cover, only to blindly squeeze the trigger in the direction of the actor. Having the proper mindset to counter the threat and establishing good form and muscle memory when reacting to a hostile situation will go much further than having the "coolest" or "best" SD ammo in your mags. Subject closed.

To echo what someone previously said, run a few boxes through your gun to ensure feeding reliability.
While I do agree with you 100% that shot placement and mindset are going to be the game winners when it comes to the gun fight the right ammo does not hurt. If you don't have ammo that penetrates or does not expand to dump it's energy and give you that little bit of an increased diameter might just make the difference. That extra 1/100th of an inch you need to nick that vital spot when your aim was not perfect under the stress your in might be gained with a quality properly expanding hollow point. So while not a end all the right ammo can't hurt. You just better have those points you covered down before you worry about the ammo!

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Any of the top dog ammunition manufacturers hollow points will be fine.

Too many people get too mixed up by the numbers. A bad guy isn't going to keep running toward you just because the bullet has +/- 10 lbs ft of energy over another brand.

Buy a couple brands, shoot a box or two of them, and once you trust them and shoot them well, Stick with it. No need to keep trying all types of self defense ammunition. It's definitely not cheap practice ammunition
I don't think it's the energy you have to worry about at all. All that energy won't mean jack if the round does not reliably expand after passing through clothing. I'd look more at expansion results, retained weight and penetration before you worry about the 10-15 difference on the energy charts.

All this being said, I trust my life to gold dots granted I get mine for free. They tested a lot of ammo and Gold Dots had the best most consistent results. The local ER doc once told me, "If you absolutely want someone dead use Speer Gold Dots." (He's a shooter and also works at a level 1 trauma center where the guys we shoot on the job go so he knows his stuff)

My back up / light weight carry gun is loaded with Speer Gold Dot 9mm 124gr +p.

Like others have said, test any ammo for function before using because some weapons do not like certain ammo. Don't get the cheap JHP ammo because it won't expand reliably (ex: Winchester white box JHP's). Any of the popular name brand stuff like Speer Gold Dots or Winchester SXT will work well. It's just up to you to decide and see what works best in your weapon.
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Old 01-02-2010, 06:03   #37
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Old 01-02-2010, 06:09   #38
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As others have said: Speer Gold Dot 124g +P, or Federal HST either 124g +P or 147g +P, or Winchester 147g bonded (RA9B or Q4364). All are excellent.
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Old 01-02-2010, 06:11   #39
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Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement.....guys get WAY too hung up on this topic to the point that the uneducated and untrained begin to rely solely on internet information to defend themselves. Practice your ass off with that G19 and carry some good name brand hollow points. A certain type of bullet isn't going to make a lick of difference when you're scrambling for your gun and for cover, only to blindly squeeze the trigger in the direction of the actor. Having the proper mindset to counter the threat and establishing good form and muscle memory when reacting to a hostile situation will go much further than having the "coolest" or "best" SD ammo in your mags. Subject closed.

To echo what someone previously said, run a few boxes through your gun to ensure feeding reliability.
Right on target with this reply!! A lot of good stuff out there. LEO's used Federal Hydra-Shok for a long time. Still it is a matter of opinion.

You will loose 65% of you gross motor skills during a stressful confrontation. Dry fire practice a lot and range practice as much a possible. Get some rapid fire drills in there as well. Find the ammo your pistol likes best and that YOU control best.

Read everyones opinion here. Choose a few different brands to try out. Also, if your 9mm is brand new, I recommend putting a least 500 rounds through it, target ammo is fine for this, to properly break it in first. Then try out HD ammo before making your choice.
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Old 01-02-2010, 06:22   #40
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I recommend the heavier rounds like 147gr JHP for better penetration/ expansion from full size 4 inch plus barrels. 158 gr subsonic for SMG/ suppressed weapons. Shorter barrels I will go with 124gr +p+ 127 or +p 124 even 124 gr FMJ NATO standard load. No 115 gr for me thanks. Not enough penetration even in +p+ to meet the 12 inch of penetration LE standards.
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Old 01-02-2010, 07:45   #41
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I don't think it's the energy you have to worry about at all. All that energy won't mean jack if the round does not reliably expand after passing through clothing. I'd look more at expansion results, retained weight and penetration before you worry about the 10-15 difference on the energy charts.
Energy is what gives a well made round the ability to expand in the first place, that's why I said to stick to your big name self defense ammunition and forget about looking at charts all day.

Take it for what it's worth.
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Old 01-02-2010, 07:59   #42
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Gold-dot Speer 124gr a med. weight +P best of both worlds . Speed of lighter bullet and penetration of heavy bullet with good construction to penetrate and expand. A balanced load. Hit center and it will D.O.A.
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Old 01-02-2010, 09:29   #43
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In no particular order, Speer Gold Dot, Remington Golden Saber, Federal Hydra Shock-all 124 gr.
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Old 01-02-2010, 10:19   #44
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Old 01-02-2010, 10:22   #45
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I ran a bunch of Hyrdo-Shok and Gold-Dot, settled on 124GR (not +p) Gold-Dot. Have heard some good things about Hornady's Critical Defense product.
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Old 01-02-2010, 10:37   #46
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I agree with everyone who has said practice is very important. I also would suggest you practice failure drills. I've found my Glocks are some of the most reliable pistols I own but ALL pistols can and will choke on ammo at one point. That being said, the JHP's I like to use in my Glocks are Federal HST's and Speer Gold Dots both in the 124 grain variety.
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you guys are crazy WWB 115 gr fmj for me
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Old 01-02-2010, 10:49   #48
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I carry Ranger T 127gr +P+ in my nines. They are only 100fps slower than the 357 Sig as I recall.
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Old 01-02-2010, 10:49   #49
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I carry hornady critical defense but all of the above mentioned ammo should get the job done.
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you guys are crazy WWB 115 gr fmj for me
Acccurate hits will do the job!!
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