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Old 01-02-2010, 08:45   #41
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I don't think it's the energy you have to worry about at all. All that energy won't mean jack if the round does not reliably expand after passing through clothing. I'd look more at expansion results, retained weight and penetration before you worry about the 10-15 difference on the energy charts.
Energy is what gives a well made round the ability to expand in the first place, that's why I said to stick to your big name self defense ammunition and forget about looking at charts all day.

Take it for what it's worth.
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Old 01-02-2010, 08:59   #42
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Gold-dot Speer 124gr a med. weight +P best of both worlds . Speed of lighter bullet and penetration of heavy bullet with good construction to penetrate and expand. A balanced load. Hit center and it will D.O.A.
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Old 01-02-2010, 10:29   #43
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In no particular order, Speer Gold Dot, Remington Golden Saber, Federal Hydra Shock-all 124 gr.
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Old 01-02-2010, 11:19   #44
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Old 01-02-2010, 11:22   #45
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I ran a bunch of Hyrdo-Shok and Gold-Dot, settled on 124GR (not +p) Gold-Dot. Have heard some good things about Hornady's Critical Defense product.
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Old 01-02-2010, 11:37   #46
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I agree with everyone who has said practice is very important. I also would suggest you practice failure drills. I've found my Glocks are some of the most reliable pistols I own but ALL pistols can and will choke on ammo at one point. That being said, the JHP's I like to use in my Glocks are Federal HST's and Speer Gold Dots both in the 124 grain variety.
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Old 01-02-2010, 11:44   #47
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you guys are crazy WWB 115 gr fmj for me
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Old 01-02-2010, 11:49   #48
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I carry Ranger T 127gr +P+ in my nines. They are only 100fps slower than the 357 Sig as I recall.
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Old 01-02-2010, 11:49   #49
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I carry hornady critical defense but all of the above mentioned ammo should get the job done.
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Old 01-02-2010, 12:08   #50
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you guys are crazy WWB 115 gr fmj for me
Acccurate hits will do the job!!
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Old 01-02-2010, 12:56   #51
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One of the best of the more commonly available ammunition would be Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P. Another option available from Cabelas is Winchester® Supreme Elite Bond PDX1 which is also 124 grain +P. Beyond that, Corbon makes some good stuff as well especially in their DPX line. Good luck with that 19, I have two myself and love them!
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Speer Gold Dot 124gr +p IMO is your best bet
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Gold-dot Speer 124gr a med. weight +P best of both worlds . Speed of lighter bullet and penetration of heavy bullet with good construction to penetrate and expand. A balanced load. Hit center and it will D.O.A.

I'll add my support for these.

I believe this is NYPD's G19 food as well.

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Old 01-02-2010, 13:18   #52
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I've always carried Speer Gold Dot 124 gr. +P. Reliable and no issues with it. Just buy quality and you'll be fine.
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Old 01-02-2010, 13:34   #53
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Any opinions about the Black hills 124gr standard velocity? The consensus is that these use the Hornady XTP. I will say that I have to favor the better 124-127gr loads due to the fact that they seem to retain the same velocity as the 115's, yet you still get the added mass.

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Old 01-02-2010, 15:35   #54
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HST, Ranger T, Gold Dot in 124/147 standard or Plus P.
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Old 01-02-2010, 15:38   #55
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Originally Posted by 481 Caliber Corner
Magic bullets do not exist.



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Caliber Corner

Caliber Corner
Ha! Now, that is funny!!!

Yeah, there is one in every crowd. You got me with that one. Nice job.


In all seriousness, I'd encourage the OP (and anyone else for that matter) interested in selecting SD ammunition to read Duncan MacPherson's book, "Bullet Penetration".

In a "nutshell", he recommends (on page 298) selecting a JHP*:

- in the heaviest practical bullet weight available for the caliber chosen
- with a velocity of not less than 800 fps and not more than 1,000 fps
- that offers penetration of ~14 inches (eg: in calibrated 10% ordnance gelatin)

*Think factory spec. .45 ACP 230 gr. JHP @ ~850 fps, .40 S&W 180 gr. JHP @ ~950 fps and 9x19 147 gr. JHP @ ~975 fps.

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Old 01-02-2010, 15:39   #56
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Best 9mm round

Our county coroner says about anything that makes it out of the barrel works fine from what he's seen.
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Old 01-02-2010, 15:40   #57
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Why did you change guns?
Duh, Kimber to Glock! Maybe he wants to come home from a gunfight alive.
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Old 01-02-2010, 17:48   #58
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Why did you change guns?
The Kimber is a great gun IMHO and one that I will continue to shoot. I was happy with it and then one day I shot a Glock and discovered I had tighter groups with the Glock (was a mind blower for me). That lead me to looking for the right Glock for me (G30, G30SF, G36, G26, G19) and the G19 fit my hand perfectly (and tight groups).
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One of the best of the more commonly available ammunition would be Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P.
This is what I carry.
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Old 01-02-2010, 18:34   #60
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As has been said above, go with a high-quality JHP in a weight that makes you the most confident.
Well said. Pretty much any modern JHP ammunition will do the job just fine.
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