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Old 01-01-2010, 21:50   #1
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1911 new(er style 10mm)

Hey all, after shooting 9mm and .4ACP 1911 style pistols, and loving my G20 and the 10mm cartridge in general, I am looking for the cheapest decent
10mm pistol 1911 style. I love Para Ord's stuff, but will they make a new one in 10mm, or do I convert the .40? Colt Delta's are around, is that my best bet? Or the new BrenTens?


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Old 01-02-2010, 02:12   #2
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1911s aren't cheap but if you are looking for a 10mm you can't beat the Dan Wesson line. Consider the
PM7-10. Don't wait to long, apparently DW isn't going to make 10mms in 2010.
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Old 01-02-2010, 08:09   #3
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Check out the Tanfoglio Witness. Closest thing to a Bren Ten until Vltor delivers and a dang sight less expensive. (you can also do inexpensive factory conversions for 45, 9, 40 and 22; maybe others i have forgotten as well). MSRP a bit over 500, but I see them at the shows for 400.

http://www.eaacorp.com/handguns-witn...scription.html

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Old 01-02-2010, 17:13   #4
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Check out the Tanfoglio Witness. Closest thing to a Bren Ten until Vltor delivers and a dang sight less expensive. (you can also do inexpensive factory conversions for 45, 9, 40 and 22; maybe others i have forgotten as well). MSRP a bit over 500, but I see them at the shows for 400.

http://www.eaacorp.com/handguns-witn...scription.html
Ditto. Very good advice.
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Old 01-02-2010, 20:18   #5
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Kimber or DW.
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Old 01-03-2010, 09:09   #6
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I am a big 10 fan. I have a Smith 610 wheel gun, 1076 FBI gun and a Colt Delta. The 610 and Delta are my favs with the Delta as top choice.

I passed on the EAA because I kept hearing of cracked slides under full power loads?? Anyone speak to this???

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Old 01-03-2010, 09:17   #7
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Passed on Colt because of cracked slides.
Returned EAA because it jammed on each mag full.
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Old 01-03-2010, 09:20   #8
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I have a DW CBOB and a EAA Witness Elite Match in 10mm. These are both excellent shooters. The DW is a better pistol, but it costs twice as much as well. If you are looking for a "true" 1911 then I would not get the Witness, it is a great gun, runs flawlessly, feels great and is extremely accurate, buts it's not really a 1911.

Dan Wesson's are an outstanding value in a 1911, for now. They are coming out with new and improved models for 2010 with a new price tag as well. As mentioned above, the 10MM will no longer be in their line-up. If you want one you better hurry.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/60141

http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search.aspx?T=dan wesson
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Old 01-03-2010, 11:41   #9
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Passed on Colt because of cracked slides.
Returned EAA because it jammed on each mag full.
Delta's never cracked their slides. There was part of the frame rail over the cutout for the slide stop that would crack on the early ones. This part of the frame rail was removed on all Colts and solved the problem. Even though the part would crack it would not stop the weapon.

I heard it was the EAA that would crack the slide.
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Old 01-03-2010, 12:47   #10
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Witness cracking were with the early rounded slides. No prob with current pistols.

Deltas dont crack slides. I had one lose the front sight shooting DT's, but that can happen to any pistol with a changable sight.

Witness mags are EXTREMELY tight when new. Takes a couple of weeks of once a day loading and unloading the mag (leave it loaded) to get it to work 100% with 15 rounds (yep, 15 rounds just like a G20) in it. So I have read; So I have experienced. (you can also load 1 short of max, but it takes longer to break in that way)

Yeah, the Witness isnt a true 1911. Theres no grip safety, theres a deep curve at the top of the backstrap, and it will shoot double action....exactly the things I hate about 1911's (yeah, i know, blasphemy)
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Old 01-03-2010, 13:01   #11
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Whatever cracks on Deltas makes it a loser.
My dealer would not sell it to me.
Did not want me unhappy.


EAA made him worry.
Gave me a Kimber in exchange.
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Whatever cracks on Deltas makes it a loser.
My dealer would not sell it to me.
Did not want me unhappy.


EAA made him worry.
Gave me a Kimber in exchange.
Well then your dealer sold you a bill of goods. Some of the very first Delta's 87ish had the old ser. 70 frame rails as below. Ser 80 has the rail above the cut out removed. Current Delta Elites are good to go. He wanted to sell you something else, or you wanted something else and is fine, but know what you are talking aobut.

BTW, those first Delta's were the first pistol in 10mm after the Bren 10. That was 23 years ago.

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Old 01-03-2010, 18:42   #14
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Truth is that most new pistols experience teething problems. They either fail or sort themselves out. Unfortunately, the coolest 10mm didnt have time to sort itself out (the D&D Bren Ten). The good news is that its about to rise from the grave; hopefully with a full set of teeth!
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Old 01-04-2010, 03:16   #16
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10meel 1911

I have three 10mm 1911's. 2 Kimbers and an Auto Ordnance. Both Kimbers started life as .40's and The AO is a factory 10mm. depends what you want.
5" Kimber seems to be the most reasonably priced.
Commander, Dan Weson bobtail.
Or wait for a .40 kimber and snag it. Ream the barrel, and go to town.
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Something to consider before buying a Witness.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=810460
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Something to consider before buying a Witness.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=810460

I have a Witness Elite Match in 10mm. When it was new the ejected brass had a large bulge on one side. Not the kind like an unsupported chamber. I called EAA and was asked to send it back for repairs. Two weeks and 2 days and I had my Witness back with a new top. Works great. I purchased 3 extra mags from Henning's shop. I could not load more than 5 rounds in two of these mags. I called EAA again ans was asked to send them back to them. This took awhile longer, about a month. I received 3 brand new mags that had been tested before shipment. Work like a charm. I for one have had nothing but good luck with EAA customer service.
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