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Old 11-27-2011, 17:37   #1
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Shoulder holsters should be outlawed

Shoulder holsters should be outlawed....They automatically break the gun safety rule of keeping the barrel pointed in a safe direction.

Would you feel comfortable staring down the barrel of a gun while standing in the grocery line? I wouldn't.

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Old 11-27-2011, 17:41   #2
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Shoulder holsters should be outlawed....They automatically break the gun safety rule of keeping the barrel pointed in a safe direction.

Would you feel comfortable staring down the barrel of a gun while standing in the grocery line? I wouldn't.
So you never go upstairs when carrying in a belt holster?
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Shoulder holsters should be outlawed....They automatically break the gun safety rule of keeping the barrel pointed in a safe direction.

Would you feel comfortable staring down the barrel of a gun while standing in the grocery line? I wouldn't.
pun intended or not?
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So you never go upstairs when carrying in a belt holster?
Let's be realistic here. As a responsible gun owner, you should not use a rig that points the barrel at other people ALL DAY.

This is life, not Miami Vice....

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Let's be realistic here. As a responsible gun owner, you should not use a rig that points the barrel at other people ALL DAY.

This is life, not Miami Vice....
Let's be realistic, that gun will NEVER go off in the holster. "Outlaw this, outlaw that" starting to sound a little liberal eh? If you don't like them, don't carry one.
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Old 11-27-2011, 17:52   #6
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Let's be realistic, that gun will NEVER go off in the holster. "Outlaw this, outlaw that" starting to sound a little liberal eh? If you don't like them, don't carry one.
Maybe. But it will when you draw it with your finger on the trigger. Happens all the time with belt holsters. Google "Glock Leg".
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Maybe. But it will when you draw it with your finger on the trigger. Happens all the time with belt holsters. Google "Glock Leg".
See my posts earlier in the thread. Sound to me like that's a training/conditioning issue rather than a holster issue. Drawing with your finger on the trigger?
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Let's be realistic, that gun will NEVER go off in the holster. "Outlaw this, outlaw that" starting to sound a little liberal eh? If you don't like them, don't carry one.
True, but guns often go off being removed from holsters (well, often as far as ND's are concerned, not literally often). Would you want you wife or child standing behind you when that happened? Or would you rather the bullet grazed your leg on the way into the ground? Shoulder holsters greatly increase the odds that the barrel is pointed where it shouldn't be in the rare case something goes wrong.
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True, but guns often go off being removed from holsters (well, often as far as ND's are concerned, not literally often). Would you want you wife or child standing behind you when that happened? Or would you rather the bullet grazed your leg on the way into the ground? Shoulder holsters greatly increase the odds that the barrel is pointed where it shouldn't be in the rare case something goes wrong.
Like I said it's a conditioning issue. I have no problems with shoulder holsters and wear one frequently when driving or riding my motorcycle. Guns don't just "go off" they are shot by someone who pulls the trigger.
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You either respect gun safety rules, or you don't.
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I have a Miami Classic for a G21 and never use it. It presents the grip area of the handgun to most assailant's strong hand. It forces you to sweep a wide area of the general populace, but a smaller area of your assailant. Finally, it requires two hands to re-holster, which is not a good idea.

Nonetheless, for driving, etc, some form of cross-draw is desirable.
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What's your issue with two handed holstering?
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I've always been taught that you need to be able to holster without looking at the holster and with one hand. This keeps your eye on the situation, and leaves a hand free to deploy gas, taser, or whatever. I'd prefer to keep that option open than use something I don't like in the first place and have it more or less take me out of the fight to put my pistol away.
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Old 11-27-2011, 18:55   #15
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Few thousand military pilots. Just about all of them use a shoulder holster. They have since I joined aviation, 1989. Probably literally millions of hours with loaded 9mm in shoulder holsters.

How many people have been shot by one of them while the gun was in the holster or going in or coming out?

Your comfort is not a basis for creating laws otherwise guns would be outlawed entirely.
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Gun in a proper holster is perfectly safe. The gun in the shoulder holster is no more likely to go off then one on the belt.

With a shoulder holster you do have to be very cognizant of where the barrel is pointed when drawing or holstering.
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I'm not comfortable with a person wearing a shoulder holster in front of me. It makes me uneasy. I don't think there needs to be a law to outlaw this, unless you can point me to the rash of instances where this has been an issue.
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Wow, lots of safety sally nervous nelly's in this thread. What other emotionally driven, irrational fears do you guys have?

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. . . than use something I don't like in the first place . . .
Then don't wear a shoulder holster.
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Let's be realistic here. As a responsible gun owner, you should not use a rig that points the barrel at other people ALL DAY.

This is life, not Miami Vice....

you are right this is Life. As it is life you have to consider all of the factors when carrying a weapon.

I think a shoulder holster is superior to IWB while driving. Unholstering a pistol with my seat belt on is pretty hard. Also I have found that magazine plates seem to be wearing a hole in my cars seat.

It is also the best set up I have found for carrying when I am riding my motorcycle.

In terms of the concerns regarding retention... First you the gun grabber would have to know you are carrying. I have found that shoulder holster is superior to IWB in terms of concealment. Even if it was discovered a person would have to reach through my jacket before unsnaping the direction snap.

As for pointing a pistol at another person... Not really concerned. The weapon will never go off while sitting in the holster.

My only concern with the shoulder holster is training. I will not practice my draw at my local gun range.
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You either respect gun safety rules, or you don't.
You either understand the safe gun handling rules or you don't.
Your post indicate that you do not understand the application of the rules.

Jeff Cooper... you know the guy who originally came up with the gun safety rules... often wore and recommended shoulder holsters for certain situations.
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Folks, lets keep the responses polite, please.
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Fumble, your screen name is quite appropriate.

I don't wear a shoulder holster, and don't much care whether you do or not. However, if you're one of those who do use one, and you're right handed, I'd keep you on my left, because I already know you're not trustworthy, nor too brilliant.
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I'm far more worried about mall ninjas that think hardball is the only ammo worth carrying or a 3.5# trigger is great for a carry piece.
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