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Old 01-10-2010, 18:46   #126
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And that is exactly the issue. You do not fully prepare for a hurricane all the time. You make a rational decision regarding what level of preparation is appropriate for different seasons. It is no different with personal safety as it relates to self defense. If you don't feel that you are safe in your own home without carrying a gun around with you, the issue really isn't if you have a gun or not. If you are always afraid of taking a shower without having your gun with you, having the gun isn't the issue. If you are afraid to step out of your door without a gun, the issue isn't the gun. My $.02
Believe it or not David, each time I step outside and do so with a gun itís not because Iím scared. It is simply because I have such a tool. For many years I didnít have it, thus I didnít carry it. However, it occupies little space and it is not an inconvenience to have it with me. I find no logical reason to leave it behind. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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I prepare for hurricane season during certain months of the year because historically that has been the season when hurricanes strike. Nonetheless, a couple of years ago we had a hurricane form on 12/15, since then I have maintained the prepared status until 12/20. I used to drop our preparedness on 11/30, the end of hurricane season. Becoming aware of changes leads me to adapt my level of preparedness.<o:p></o:p>
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Hurricanes are more predictable than falling victim to a crime. I prepare as best as can for either, although I could probably do better at both.<o:p></o:p>

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Old 01-10-2010, 19:24   #127
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Can somebody turn the light off when this thread is over? To each his own
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:22   #128
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Believe it or not David, each time I step outside and do so with a gun it’s not because I’m scared.
I believe that, Misty. In case it wasn't clear, I think you have done a fairly good cost/benefit check and analysis. My complaint is with the "24/7/365 don't take a shower without it or cross the threshold of the door or go anywhere you can't carry just in case the boogie man might get you if you don't carry all the time you might as well not carry at all" crowd. Most of the time when I carry these days it is not because I'm scared, it is because I'm unsure of my level of safety, which is a very different concept.
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Which is exactly what I suggest, rather than "just in case".
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:42   #129
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I was just curious if most of us carry 24/7 or just part time (when going to bad parts of town, or late at night). I'm guessing some leave it in their vehicle. I'm new and have my permit, but I'm still getting into the habit.
If I can be carrying, I am. It is just part of the "getting dressed in the morning" routine.
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Old 01-11-2010, 14:36   #130
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My complaint is with the "24/7/365 don't take a shower without it or cross the threshold of the door or go anywhere you can't carry just in case the boogie man might get you if you don't carry all the time you might as well not carry at all" crowd.
What exactly is your complaint?

If you don't wish to carry 24/7/365, don't.
If I do wish to carry 24/7/365 what does that have to do with you?
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Old 01-11-2010, 15:40   #131
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Some folksw seem to think that all areas have the same chance of danger, and that one cannot predict with any accuracy where a safe zone is. Sorry, I'm just not following that.
I agree and disagree...

Yes, there does seem to be some people that seem to believe that all areas have the identical risk. But many others simply recognize that nobody can predict with absolute accuracy all the time.

Prior to owning and carrying a cell phone, there was not one time that I ever really needed a cell phone. Since acquiring a cell phone, there has not been a single time that I ever really needed it. I really do not need it, and in all likelihood I never will really need it. I do, however, carry it daily. Even though there are places where I am required by law to render it inoperable (airplanes) and others where I am encouraged to render in inoperable (theaters) I still carry it daily and abide by the laws and requests. I really don't want to ever "need" it, but making a habit of having it with me is so easy that I don't mind it at all.

Do I think the "24/7, in the shower, thunderwear to bed" crowd is a little nutty and seem to have a screw or two loose...yes. But do I carry when I know the odds of needing it are basicly nill...yes. Oh...and yes I do buckle my seat belt when moving a car in the driveway, not because I think there is any need for it whatsoever, but because I believe it is a good habit to have.
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Old 01-11-2010, 15:44   #132
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How does one know when it is going to be needed. To me carrying when and where legal, i.e. 24/7, is when needed.

I don't knowingly go to the bad parts of town, etc.
Bad parts of town? Hell, its bad everywhere, just some scenery is better than others, but SCUMBAGS live in the better parts of town also. Stop fooling yourself..........
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Old 01-12-2010, 10:19   #133
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What exactly is your complaint?
My complaint is people who do not think, who deny facts and refuse to use logic, and then try to say that is a good way to do things.

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Old 01-12-2010, 10:24   #134
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But many others simply recognize that nobody can predict with absolute accuracy all the time.
But that is true of many things in life that we experience. Like I say, we don't walk around worrying about and ready to fight the tiger all the time.
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I really don't want to ever "need" it, but making a habit of having it with me is so easy that I don't mind it at all.
No disagreement, and IMO a much more honest assessment than some have proposed.
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Old 01-18-2010, 05:10   #135
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Old 01-27-2010, 20:11   #136
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I would like to contribute this: being on "high alert" all of the time will take its toll on any normal person. I am defensive minded and I try to be prepared. For a few years, I carried a gun everywhere I went. Then I started to feel that I was uptight all of the time and was too preocupied with what "may happen" and missed a lot of fun moments. I train daily, am a Martial Artist, and pay attention to my surroundings. Now that I don't carry every day, I take better care of myself, train harder and when it is time to relax and enjoy myself without any fear. If something "bad' happens, I will respond based on my abilities at the time. That response may be tempered by my not being armed at the time. This I accept. Last summer at my family picnic (Euclid Creek Reservation in Euclid, Oh), I was walking around (unarmed) with my 6 foot tall, super muscular, toughest guy I know older brother who is a die-hard biker. We watched somewhat in horror as a guy was playing kickball with about 15 little kids. As he rolled the ball for them to kick, the Glock 19 that he was wearing in a holster on his overly loose belt with his too-big pants kept coming out from under his too-big shirt. It was flopping all over his left side. It was kinda painful for me to think that this guy could have been so uptight, or defensive minded that he needed a gun to play kickball with little kids. I named the place because maybe he is on this forum as will get to read my post.
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Old 01-27-2010, 21:49   #137
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I can relax with my gun on me. Actually, it is hard to just relax if my gun is NOT on me. I carry all the time 24/7 and it is just like wearing pants.
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Old 01-27-2010, 21:56   #138
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All the time, whenever and wherever legal. It is really quite simple and remarkably easy.
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:50   #139
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Gun goes on after the belt every day! After a while it just becomes another part of getting dressed. If I thought I was going some place I needed it I either wouldnt go or would take the AR 15 and shot gun with me
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Old 12-09-2010, 12:15   #140
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When I go to bed I keep my EDC (Glock 19) in CB Supertuck in my jeans next to the bed. Bed stand has another Glock 19 with light and laser on it.
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Old 12-09-2010, 12:48   #141
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Google "Isaac Zamora". The six he killed and the two he injured that day near my home probably thought it was just another day and went about their business. I knew one of the victims and their family very well. No fault to the victims, thats not what I meant. But we can just never be 100% sure of our safety even at our homes like some of his victims were.

I don't carry inside my house or sleep or shower with a gun, but carrying for me is not an inconvienance and therefore I choose to always carry where legal. I'm not on high alert and paranoid when I'm out either like some people get. Most of the time, I never think of the gun being there unless I bump it or feel it. But I always know its there, like my pocket knife and seat belt, I may not need them everyday, but when I do, I'll have them.
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Old 12-09-2010, 13:38   #142
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I carry when I can legally.
Can't carry at work.
Can't carry in bars/restaurants.
That rules out a lot of my time.
But do carry pretty much everywhere else.
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Old 12-09-2010, 14:04   #143
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I carry when I can legally.
Can't carry at work.
Can't carry in bars/restaurants.
That rules out a lot of my time.
But do carry pretty much everywhere else.
DITTO.

I wonder about the other Ohio posters who claim they carry 24/7. Unless you have a real fondness for crappy restaurants its damn near impossible. Not to mention the many CPZ zones and government buildings etc.

In Ohio, because of the idiotic laws the following are off limits:

1. Any premises with a license to serve liquor. That means I can't can't carry on the local golf course, I can't go into any restaurant worth a damn, can't carry in a local grocery chain because they have a license to serve beer in their cafe, etc. You literally have to look up any building you go into on the state liquor control board site if you want to stay 100% legal. You'd be surprised at how many places have a license to serve.

2. Can't carry in government buildings. Sounds straightforward, but no post office, local courthouse, city hall, police station, city rec center, municipal golf course clubhouse etc. Even buildings that may "rent" a room to a courthouse are then off-limits. Key Center tower in downtown Cleveland is off-limits because apparently the building has some court functions that occur in leased rooms on some floor.

Also, while highway rest-stops are OK, if they have a Tourist info booth inside, they become once again off-limits. Since most every rest-stop on the Ohio Turnpike has such a booth, the entire length of I-80 in Ohio becomes defacto off-limits for carry inside buildings.

3. Can't carry in Posted places. The cherry on top of all of the idiotic restrictions are the large number of establishments that post signs because their lawyers are afraid of liability issues. Babies R us, Costco, Entire local malls post their whole parking lots & premises. Most hospitals and medical clinics like the Cleveland Clinic etc.

4. Many employers don't post, but have policies against weapons. As a consultant, I don't carry at client sites because I can't know all their policies, and I can't afford to lose a client over some secretary "making" me at this point in my career.

If anyone in our state can carry even close to 24/7, I envy you.

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Old 12-09-2010, 14:42   #144
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I am fortunate to work where i can carry, given the choice between fast food restaurants i will always pick one that allows carry. I no longer drink when I go out can not afford a dui. Check is direct deposit so no need to go to the bank and no need to go to government building's. In the rare occasions that i have to enter a no carry building gun gets locked in a case and i try to pick a seat where I can see the car. I am hopefull they pass the law that would allow us to carry in restaurant the serve liquor as long as we dont drink
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Old 12-09-2010, 16:02   #145
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I apply the same logic to SD as I do other risks that we may encounter in life. I decided long ago that I was not going to go through life like I am on some "spec-op mission" of self defense but more of a common sense preparedness towards risks in general. There is nothing wrong with carrying 24/7 but I will tell you that I dont. It would be fair to say that I carry most of the time. I dont try to make my life revolve around carrying a weapon but rather the other way around. In doing that, sometimes carrying a weapon just doesnt fit in... and thats ok with me.
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Old 12-09-2010, 16:20   #146
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Allways, Better to have it and not need it then to not have it and need it.
This sums up my thoughts on carrying all of the time pretty well.
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Old 12-09-2010, 19:02   #147
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Old 12-09-2010, 21:26   #148
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Since statistically a normal person may need a gun maybe once in a lifetime, I will only carry that day. If possible, I will only carry during the hour when I am going to need it. After that, then I will lock the gun in the safe for the rest of my life.

Oh, yes... I forgot to mention that I'm a psychic. You are feeling confused now.... see?

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Old 12-10-2010, 09:42   #149
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I used to carry every day until I took the local police dept's citizens academy 13 week course. When I looked at the local crime stats, it made no sense to carry in my town unless I just wanted to because I have the right to. The LEO's here haven't fired a shot from their duty weapons in the last 18 yrs (except for the SWAT).
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Old 12-10-2010, 13:42   #150
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I used to carry every day until I took the local police dept's citizens academy 13 week course. When I looked at the local crime stats, it made no sense to carry in my town unless I just wanted to because I have the right to. The LEO's here haven't fired a shot from their duty weapons in the last 18 yrs (except for the SWAT).
You list Dallas. What city are you really in?
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