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01-05-2010, 18:09
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Sight picture with a loaded gun?
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01-05-2010, 18:27
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Leave the gas.
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Seems like they make you do a lot of one handed shooting.
That is one clean indoor range! Looks like they polish the floors. I wish our indoor range was that nice.
Good shooting!
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01-05-2010, 18:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 9x45
Sight picture with a loaded gun?
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What is the ruling on this? I would think with the gun pointed downrange and finger out of the trigger it wouldn't be a problem? Especially just prior to holstering.
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01-05-2010, 19:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 9x45
Sight picture with a loaded gun?
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Your allowed to do anything you want after the make ready command without breaking the 180. You can point at targets etc. It is all part of making ready. You can't do it in IDPA. I always scan before I re-holster. Training. If you can find in the rule book where I am mistaken please cite it. I have been wrong before lol.
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01-05-2010, 20:04
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8.7 Sight Pictures and Range Inspection
8.7.1 A competitor is permitted to take a sight picture prior to the start signal.
Such sight picture is only permitted from the “Make Ready” location.
8.3 Range Communication
The approved range commands and their sequence are as follows:
8.3.1 “Make Ready” – This command signifies the start of “the Course of
Fire”. Under the direct supervision of the Range Officer the competitor
must face down range, or in a safe direction as specified by the Range
Officer, fit eye and ear protection, and prepare the handgun in accordance
with the written stage briefing. The competitor must then assume
the required start position. At this point, the Range Officer will proceed.
The key is prior to the start signal.....
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01-05-2010, 20:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 9x45
8.7 Sight Pictures and Range Inspection
8.7.1 A competitor is permitted to take a sight picture prior to the start signal.
Such sight picture is only permitted from the “Make Ready” location.
8.3 Range Communication
The approved range commands and their sequence are as follows:
8.3.1 “Make Ready” – This command signifies the start of “the Course of
Fire”. Under the direct supervision of the Range Officer the competitor
must face down range, or in a safe direction as specified by the Range
Officer, fit eye and ear protection, and prepare the handgun in accordance
with the written stage briefing. The competitor must then assume
the required start position. At this point, the Range Officer will proceed.
The key is prior to the start signal.....
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Yes that is what I was doing. I scanned after the make ready and prior to the start signal.
pat
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01-06-2010, 07:21
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I just hosted a USPSA RO class and this topic came up. According to the NROI staffer who taught the class, Yes, Virginia, you CAN take a sight picture with a loaded firearm.
Make Ready signifies the start of the stage, but the "start signal" is the beep of the timer (in most cases).
To clarify--after "Make Ready", you can't do anything you want. You can't move from the make ready location.
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01-06-2010, 08:44
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You guys are right. I emailed John Amidon and got this response.
Loaded sight picture
Wednesday, January 6, 2010 6:40 AM
From:
"John Amidon" <JohnAmidon@verizon.net>
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To:
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There is nothing in the rules that prevents a loaded sight picture, it can be considered as the make ready command.
John
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01-06-2010, 14:13
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I know, John. I was surprised too. It's a change since my first RO class, but right in front of God and everybody, Jay flat said it was okay.
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01-06-2010, 16:52
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End of 4th video. someone says "Take a little longer". Just busting your balls. Good shooting.
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01-06-2010, 18:06
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No worries I shot that a bit slow but I did not hit the no shoot like a lot of people. I ended up with 4th place on that stage. I was slower but did not screw it up.
Pat
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01-09-2010, 22:53
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ugh. Missing the final steel on the left side of that classifier and not calling it really sucks, doesn't it?
You aren't moving all that fast on the draw - just working on your hand speed down to the gun, and out to the target, could shave a few tenths. Just something I noticed. Especially the first vid and the classifer. The seated stage looked speedier.
Other than that, solid shooting, and great indoor stages.
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01-10-2010, 02:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ecmills
ugh. Missing the final steel on the left side of that classifier and not calling it really sucks, doesn't it?
You aren't moving all that fast on the draw - just working on your hand speed down to the gun, and out to the target, could shave a few tenths. Just something I noticed. Especially the first vid and the classifer. The seated stage looked speedier.
Other than that, solid shooting, and great indoor stages.
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Thanks for the tip. I do need to work on speeding up the draw.
Pat
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