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Old 01-21-2010, 20:56   #126
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Where am I supposed to get the knowledge you value? By actually buying a 1911 and trying it? That's what I'm doing. I chose a Taurus to start with. It is less expensive than any other 1911s I've seen in gunshops, aside from the Rock Island base model.

I looked at and held the Rock Island, and I personally did not like it. Maybe it is a better gun, maybe the insides are quality, but I can't tell that. On the outside, it seemed like crap. The grip safety didn't fit me well, and didn't depress evenly. The grip itself is slippery. I didn't like the sights. I didn't like the trigger. Overall fit and finish seemed pretty rough. And this is based on looking at them at 2 different gunshops. They might be great guns, I don't know. But at $500 compared to the $700 for the Taurus, the Taurus seemed much better. I'm paying $800 overall but that includes the holster, mag holder, and 4 mags (which collectively I'm valuing at $100, and I would buy separately anyway for that much).
There are allot of great choices under $600 that aren't Rock Island, Springfield Mil Spec and GI, Para GI Expert, Firestorm Dlx, Auto Ordnance, Norinco, Citadel, High Standard, I am sure there are more I just cant think of any off the top of my head. The thing about 1911's is, grips and sights are relatively easy changes so most buyers don't dwell on those things, quality and reliability is first and foremost, and IMO and from my experience the Taurus just doesn't stack up.
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Old 01-21-2010, 21:24   #127
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I think the point is nothing really broke. Crappy safety didn't come apart, hammer didn't lock up and it ran 1000 rounds.

I have a feeling some of it was due to the shooter, you try holding that gun after a few hundred continuous rounds. That sucker was hot, you should see the pics of the blisters on his hand so I think trying to reload mags and what not was difficult and causing some of the failures (He is no Todd Jarrett)

Do I pay much merit on these "Torture Test" not really but the point is.... You guys said 1000 rounds so there you go.

Only issues were a little melting of the cheapo plastic grips.
So, those of us who bought one, and had a POS opinions are trumped by a youtube vid? Come on, give me a break. When I bought my RIA I considered it my first 1911, didnt even count the taurus. But its nice to know thats all in my head because of this youtube video.
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Old 01-21-2010, 21:55   #128
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http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/32592

I would rather spend less and get a Springfield Milspec. Might not have all the bells and whistles but quality-wise it will be 10x better than a Taurus. For 50 or 60 bucks you can prolly get a drop in beavertial and extended thumb safety and it will only cost a few bucks more than that poor excuse for a 1911.
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Old 01-21-2010, 22:47   #129
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1000 Round Torture Test with PT1911
A thousand rounds is a "torture test?" Funny.

If the firearm can't go a thousand rounds without a malfunction, then it's not worth table salt.

A thousand rounds isn't a "torture test." It's just getting warmed up.

Torture tests, incidentally, involve excessive shooting under demanding conditions, often with fouling or other challenging factors used to see how the weapon will handle water, snow, dirt, mud, grit, various ammunition, different shooting techniques or positions, etc. Simply shooting the weapon had better not be a torture test...especially just at a thousand rounds.

Torture test...nice try.
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Old 01-22-2010, 03:36   #130
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This thread is a riot.
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Old 01-22-2010, 05:15   #131
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It's a

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Old 01-22-2010, 07:21   #132
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If the firearm can't go a thousand rounds without a malfunction, then it's not worth table salt.
I agree.
This test just proves this firearm is a POS!
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Old 01-22-2010, 19:19   #133
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I've got one and I even like it. Got it after Christmas this year and fit and finish are very good. As good as any of the RIA's that I compared it to. Plus it does have some nice features. I guess I just got lucky and got a nice one. Mine has about 300-350 with no malfunctions right out of the box which is more than some of you can say about your "top shelf" 1911's. Not trying to start a war, just saying that my gun is reliable and put together well. I really like it for the price.

To answer the OP's question, be careful before you purchase one. It seems there are far more sub par examples then ones like mine.
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Old 01-22-2010, 19:47   #134
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I think it would just wear out quicker.

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Old 01-22-2010, 23:09   #135
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That is just stupid.


1000 Round Torture Test with PT1911

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx7HY...eature=related
It's not stupid it's experience. Anyone that thinks 1,000 is a lot.... doesn't shoot much. Do you know how many rounds the first 1911s went through in their "torture tests?" My points remain. In fact it's laughable to think that this proves anything. I'll betcha I could cherry pick a Hi-point to go 1K rounds too.

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Old 01-23-2010, 07:55   #136
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I think the point is nothing really broke. Crappy safety didn't come apart, hammer didn't lock up and it ran 1000 rounds...
So your big selling point on the Taurus is that the only thing wrong with it is that it had a whole lot of malfunctions? How is that a good thing?

And for the record, I had a Taurus 1911 ILS fail and tie up the gun in my hands. I wasn't even shooting it at the time, but just cycling the action. It's no rumor.
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So your big selling point on the Taurus is that the only thing wrong with it is that it had a whole lot of malfunctions? How is that a good thing?

And for the record, I had a Taurus 1911 ILS fail and tie up the gun in my hands. I wasn't even shooting it at the time, but just cycling the action. It's no rumor.
Impossible. That 1000 round(910 if you account for the MALFUNCTIONS) proved that all personal experiences related on the web are simply people spreading rumors malicously.
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Old 01-23-2010, 13:54   #138
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Here's something I just thought about.

Is it really smart to trust your families lives to the lowest bidder?
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Old 01-25-2010, 10:11   #139
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Here's something I just thought about.

Is it really smart to trust your families lives to the lowest bidder?

Isn't that what the government, and therefore the US Army, does all the time?
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Old 01-25-2010, 17:58   #140
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Isn't that what the government, and therefore the US Army, does all the time?
Yeah, but the specifications in the RFPs usually insures the equipment will be decent, although I'm sure there have been exceptions.
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The Taurus 1911 will never be submitted for, and could never pass a military trial for reliability, nor is it milspec quality.

The Taurus 1911 won't get issues, sold to, or carried by our troops.

And no...the military does not buy from the lowest bidder. Bid is based on value, not necessarily price.

In that context, the Taurus certainly doesn't cut it.
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Old 01-26-2010, 11:52   #142
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It's not stupid it's experience. Anyone that thinks 1,000 is a lot.... doesn't shoot much. Do you know how many rounds the first 1911s went through in their "torture tests?" My points remain. In fact it's laughable to think that this proves anything. I'll betcha I could cherry pick a Hi-point to go 1K rounds too.
I think a thousand rounds at one time is a lot. If you don't think so please go out and try it.

When you post Todd Jarrett doing it with a Para everyone says Wow cool, when it is a Taurus, man that thing is junk.
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Just watching this video, and I have already lost count of the number of failures he has had
Hard primers or not Todd Jarret did the same test with a Para and I can't remember any failures. And you know how people like to trash Para.
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I think a thousand rounds at one time is a lot. If you don't think so please go out and try it.

When you post Todd Jarrett doing it with a Para everyone says Wow cool, when it is a Taurus, man that thing is junk.
Typically, the idea is to see if it can get through without parts breakage and with few or no malfunctions. It's not that there should have been more rounds fired, but that there were so many malfunctions that I got tired of counting. Blame it on ammo, mags, or little blue fairies, but the fact remains that the Taurus failed the test miserably.

Not so much when Jarrett did it.
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Wow,......could this thread surpass the "cardboard box" thread?!
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Typically, the idea is to see if it can get through without parts breakage and with few or no malfunctions. It's not that there should have been more rounds fired, but that there were so many malfunctions that I got tired of counting. Blame it on ammo, mags, or little blue fairies, but the fact remains that the Taurus failed the test miserably.

Not so much when Jarrett did it.
I guess we saw the same video but have two different perspectives.

Someone said they counted 10 malfunctions, out of 1000.

So by your definition, few malfunctions = PASS
No Breakage = PASS.

I don't see how you can say if failed miserably.

And I think if Jarrett did it there would probably be zero malfunctions....he is GOD isn't he?
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I think a thousand rounds at one time is a lot. If you don't think so please go out and try it.

When you post Todd Jarrett doing it with a Para everyone says Wow cool, when it is a Taurus, man that thing is junk.
What does 1000 rounds in one sitting prove relative to 20-30K rounds over a period of time. These guns aren't built to last, which is my whole point, then again, most Taurus owners won't notice as they generally aren't used for anything remotely serious.

Paras aren't built much better. Too many proprietary issues.
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What does 1000 rounds in one sitting prove relative to 20-30K rounds over a period of time. These guns aren't built to last, which is my whole point. Paras aren't built much better. Too many proprietary issues.

I believe it was a comment about having about 500 rounds through a gun to call it trust worthy? Can't recall.

Please tell me why these aren't built to last? Is it because of the MIM, oh tell me your not one of them guys.
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What does 1000 rounds in one sitting prove relative to 20-30K rounds over a period of time. These guns aren't built to last, which is my whole point, then again, most Taurus owners won't notice as they generally aren't used for anything remotely serious.

Paras aren't built much better. Too many proprietary issues.
What is "serious" use of a gun?

If someone buys a gun, and tests 500 rounds through it, then carries it, and practises 150 rounds a year thereafter, isn't that serious?

The "serious" use would be the carry for self-defense. After 10 years, the gun would have 2,000 rounds.

Or are you talking about participating in a lot of shooting games as being "serious" use?

I don't know if the Taurus will hold up to 2,000 rounds or 2,000,000. But either way, what defines serious use?
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What is "serious" use of a gun?

If someone buys a gun, and tests 500 rounds through it, then carries it, and practises 150 rounds a year thereafter, isn't that serious?

The "serious" use would be the carry for self-defense. After 10 years, the gun would have 2,000 rounds.

Or are you talking about participating in a lot of shooting games as being "serious" use?

I don't know if the Taurus will hold up to 2,000 rounds or 2,000,000. But either way, what defines serious use?
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