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Old 01-16-2010, 22:08   #1
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Saiga fresh from the box pictures before conversion

Its factory marked Dec 2008 so it arrived at RAA the US distributor late Dec to Early 2009. Other than the lack of dimples, this is generally (not exactly) how the Arsenal SGL rifles should look like when they arrive from Russia. As far as I know, the receiver (except for the dimples), rear trunnion, front trunnion, barrel (except for the retainer notches and chamber step), carrier, bolt, cover, rear sight block, and recoil rod should be the same. The front sight block, rear sight (not the block), gas block, gas tube, addition of bullet guide, trigger parts and obviously furniture are different. As one last side note, Arsenal states in their online manuals that the furniture, muzzle device if applicable and trigger parts are made in the USA.Feel free to point out any differences if you have an Arsenal SGL and want to make a distinct comparison.

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Old 01-16-2010, 22:10   #2
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Old 01-16-2010, 22:13   #3
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Old 01-16-2010, 22:25   #4
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Actual differences Arsenal points out.
http://www.arsenalinc.com/articles/sgl10/sgl10.pdf

The Saiga inner gas block looks chrome lined.I'm not even sure that this is a feature on non Russian rifles like Bulgarian, Hungarian, East German, Romanian,
or Chinese.

The Veprs also were and they made sure to point that out as something of added value.
http://www.molot.biz/product-e/vepr.php
"For increasing the durability against the mechanical galling as well as rust-preventive and erosive resistance the bore and the chamber, the gas chamber and the shaft with the bolt carrier piston are chrome-lined."

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Old 01-18-2010, 08:41   #5
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I'm eagerly waiting for my Saiga x39 to arrive this week. After conversion I suspect it will be very similar to my Arsenal AK except for some of the details you've pointed out (dimples). Please post pics of your conversion when you get to it.
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Old 01-18-2010, 19:23   #6
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I found some thing unusual. Retainer side notches.

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Old 01-18-2010, 19:55   #7
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5 minutes of filing on the rear latch produces a beautiful thing called magazine compatibility.

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Old 01-18-2010, 21:04   #8
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10 minutes with a drill bit and the stock trigger is gone and so are the linkage pins.

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Old 01-18-2010, 22:22   #9
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3 rivets drilled out in 30 minutes of actual work. The plate is gone.

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Old 01-19-2010, 07:31   #10
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I found some thing unusual. Retainer side notches.

Mine also came with the retainer grooves. It seems there are some odd issues going on with the Saiga 7.62's lately as some over on the Saiga 12 board have found out that theirs have threaded a barrel under the front sheath. Who knows what those crazy Russians are doing?
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Old 01-20-2010, 20:34   #11
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To set up for drilling into the trunnion, I crazy glued a nut in place to keep the
drill bit from moving around before it finally bites in. This worked real well. I got a good pilot hole going with a number 6 cobalt bit and later switched to a number 8 after 3 number 6 bits broke on the way through. After 10 minutes I had a nice clean hole all the way through. Next I used a 8-32 tap to thread the hole. I used plenty of gun oil in the hole to prevent the tap from seizing up. 3 minutes with the tap and I was done.

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I couldn't help but wonder if the glued in nut would happen to work as a bullet guide. I inserted the carrier, bolt, and a loaded magazine. It actually worked very well, but it wasn't inletted for a bolt head to anchor it down properly. I will get a a premade bullet guide for this purpose.
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:47   #12
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My saiga factory trigger guard has been recycled into this new version. My home made bullet guide works perfect.


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Old 01-22-2010, 07:19   #13
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My saiga factory trigger guard has been recycled into this new version. My home made bullet guide works perfect.

I love projects like this and I am contemplating doing one in 5.45. Anyway...great work. BTW, I have seen people make bullet guides from a piece of stainless tubing. Don't you just love a gun that you can do stuff like this to?!
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Old 01-22-2010, 15:21   #14
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I've got dimples and barrel notches on my new March 09 Saiga x39. Sweet!
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Old 01-22-2010, 15:52   #15
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Nice work buddy.
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Old 01-22-2010, 19:17   #16
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Saiga 7.62x39 rifles of the past few years have a chamber step.
The other calibers don't have this from the few reports I have seen.
The arsenal SGL rifle barrels do not have this step.


Here is a comparison of the same saiga as seen above and a mak90.

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Old 01-25-2010, 22:39   #17
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Fresh from the oven refinished with a high temperature coating.

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Old 02-02-2010, 16:50   #19
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Good job. Simple,clean,me likes.
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Old 02-02-2010, 18:31   #20
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Saiga 7.62x39 rifles of the past few years have a chamber step.
The other calibers don't have this from the few reports I have seen.
The arsenal SGL rifle barrels do not have this step.


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10 minutes with a drill bit and the stock trigger is gone and so are the linkage pins.

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Interesting stuff.

What exactly is the chamber step supposed to do ? Also, what is that little gray tab in front of the trigger guard ? My Saiga doesn't have one of those.
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Old 02-02-2010, 23:20   #22
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Interesting stuff.

What exactly is the chamber step supposed to do ? Also, what is that little gray tab in front of the trigger guard ? My Saiga doesn't have one of those.
The chamber step is a recent modification going back to around 2003/2004.
Its a Russian government policy/law to require marking 7.62x39 fired cases so that it can be established if a found case had been fired from commercial gun.
None of the Robarm Veprs ever got the step maybe because the last batch imported were made in 2003.


The gray tab is a bolt hold open button to lock the carrier back.
I took it off completely during the process.
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Old 02-02-2010, 23:40   #23
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Have you thought about doing this conversion for others?
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Buzz, or anyone else, when you convert a saiga, can you install a standard lower and upper handguard on it without modification? I found a company on gunbroker thats sells the converted saigas for 529.00 thinking about picking one up, tennessee guns international or TGI . Seems like a deal for what u get.
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Have you thought about doing this conversion for others?
I'm not a licensed gunsmith and you pretty much need to be to do work
like that for others if people send you a gun and are not there in person.
I would be glad to help anyone locally.
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