[DannyB]

I'm sorry if this is redundant. I have looked and can't find a post with an answer to this question.

Who has the cheapest bullets, shipping included, to your door?

I need some lead for one or two guns and some FMJ, or coated, or whatever they call it for my Glocks.

As far as the lead, I used to buy from Bull-X and thought they had the hardest, best bullets available and would kind of like to have something similar. However, the costs are getting so high that now I am about the point that I don't care if they are like Jello. I can clean the gun real often.

Thanks!

[snair]

silver star bullets out here in utah for the lead. im not sure what shipping would be though. if you want i can get you the phone number

[DannyB]

Originally Posted by snair

silver star bullets out here in utah for the lead. im not sure what shipping would be though. if you want i can get you the phone number

I just Googled them and didn't find them. If you have a site link or phone number please post it.

Thanks again!!

[snair]

jim murphy or gerry allred 801 564 0424.

i pay 26 bucks for 500 rounds 200 gr swc 45s. i think 9mm are like 22 bucks a box for 500. great guys to do buisiness with

[snair]

one of the guys i shoot with brought a laser cast slug and jim put it in the hardness tester thing. the silver stars are actually harder.

[Boxerglocker]

For lead 9mm, I order from http://uniqueprecisionbullets.com/

9mm 147gr flat point - $48 / 1000

I'm going to be ordering the 40/10mm 180gr flat point, soon as my G23 Storm Lake barrel arrives - $55 / 1000

The owner Yuth is a GT'er and nice guy. Shipping is in Flat rate USPS boxes so $11 for 2K

[cray2751]

I use Missouri Bullet Co for lead and Precision Delta for fmj.

[DannyB]

Thanks for the feedback guys! From looking at the big name distributors with the high overheads I was thinking I was stuck with 9 & 40 bullets costing anywhere from twelve to fifteen cents a pop. That was sucking bigtime.

It wasn't that long ago we were buying ammo for that at the store.

After about seventeen years of not reloading I am just now getting back into it. I have my Dillon 550. I had a few pounds of powder and a few thousand primers, and not many bullets left from then, and now I am getting down to some bullet purchases.

[cray2751]

If you search the web you can find some discounts for Missouri Bullet Co. It saves a little. I will say this though if you are ordering bullets and they offer insurance get it because those flat rate boxes suck that the PO has.

[jbrown13]

I use Montana Gold for jacketed bullets. You have to buy by the case to get the best deal, but my 115 gr 9mm bullets cost $290 for 4,000 delivered to my door. Your mail carrier will ahte you, but that works out to about 7.25 cents per bullet. Hard to beat that.

https://secure3.mooseweb.com/montana.../pricelist.tpl

[Brass Nazi]

Most handgun cartridges do not usually require a particularly hard bullet. In fact if the bullets are too hard they may not seal the bore correctly and will lead the barrel.

[Myke_Hart]

Buy Hornady products and get free bullets.

http://www.hornady.com/promotions/get-loaded

I have recieved over 2000 free bullets from them in the last year.

[RLDS45S]

For lead look for a local casting vendor, and pick them up at his/her place of business. For plated look at Berry's direct. For Jacketed without a wait.....
Montana Gold can not be beat. PD and Zero can be at a lower cost but with that comes a wait time of a few weeks to longer....depending on where they are at in their production cycles.

The key thing is buying bulk, not piddly amounts of bullets....MG by the case lot. And, if you have to buy lead for delivery then Missouri Bullets are a very good value with excellent delivery time!

[dudel]

Originally Posted by snair

one of the guys i shoot with brought a laser cast slug and jim put it in the hardness tester thing. the silver stars are actually harder.

Not sure why that's a good thing. Too hard a bullet won't obdurate, then gets gas blowby, leading to flame cutting, leading and poor accuracy. A too hard bullet won't expand. Too hard a bullet won't engage the rifling, thus won't stabilize.

In projectiles, harder is not always better. If it were; well, there are things much harder than lead.

Projectile hardness, like powder and load, needs to be matched to the puirpose. For accuracy, I'd want a very soft projectile. For hunting, something a bit harder; but soft enough to expand.

[Smoker]

I've used Barry's & Missouri bullet lead bullets had good luck with both of them, put the LWD barrel in your Glock & shoot the lead bullets in it.

[M1A Shooter]

i use MissouriBullets for my .45acp. i get the 200gr LSWC. will be getting some 230gr LRN as well next order. i have also used thei 125gr LRN in 9mm before.

[dudel]

Originally Posted by DannyB

As far as the lead, I used to buy from Bull-X and thought they had the hardest, best bullets available and would kind of like to have something similar. However, the costs are getting so high that now I am about the point that I don't care if they are like Jello. I can clean the gun real often.

Thanks!

+1 on the Bull-X. I still have a few boxes of 500 of them left on the shelves. I was sorry to learn they are no longer available.

Look into the Berry's or Rainiers. Plated projectiles shoot quite well out of my Glocks with either the standard barrel or the LW. The Berry's have printed some of the tightest groups I've seen out of my G26. Order $50, and they have free shipping (although a recent look at their site seemed to indicate that there was free shipping on all their projectiles). I'll have to check again, as I need to put another order in.

[snair]

Originally Posted by dudel

Not sure why that's a good thing. Too hard a bullet won't obdurate, then gets gas blowby, leading to flame cutting, leading and poor accuracy. A too hard bullet won't expand. Too hard a bullet won't engage the rifling, thus won't stabilize.

In projectiles, harder is not always better. If it were; well, there are things much harder than lead.

Projectile hardness, like powder and load, needs to be matched to the puirpose. For accuracy, I'd want a very soft projectile. For hunting, something a bit harder; but soft enough to expand.

im not sure, the guys who brought the laser cast seemed to make a deal out of it. to be fair none of us shoot anything but ppc out of 45s with it but it works well.

[dudel]

Originally Posted by snair

im not sure, the guys who brought the laser cast seemed to make a deal out of it. to be fair none of us shoot anything but ppc out of 45s with it but it works well.

They may just be buying into harder is better and not understanding. Not dealing with Viagra here

Here's an interesting read on the topic.
http://www.lasc.us/FryxellCBAlloyObturation.htm

This part might be of interest to them:

No, the numbers are not transposed. The lighter, harder bullet was traveling an average of 58 fps slower than the heavier, softer bullet in what was otherwise identical ammunition. The same amount of chemical energy was released each time the hammer fell, it's just a question of how efficiently that energy was converted into velocity. All else being equal, the lighter bullet should end up going faster, and the fact that it was found to be slower indicates that some of the energy was lost as a result of gas leakage around the linotype bullets.

Or this:

The bottom line is commercial cast bullets are usually cast to a BHN of 24 as a means of damage control, not because hardness makes for a better projectile.

Or this:
http://www.lasc.us/FryxellCommentsCBAlloys.htm

[snair]

haha thank you

[Brass Nazi]

Originally Posted by dudel

The same amount of chemical energy was released each time the hammer fell, it's just a question of how efficiently that energy was converted into velocity.

Not necessarily, If the bullet did not seal properly and the gas escaped around the bullet it would have decreased the chamber pressure. The varying chamber pressure would effect the rate of burn of the powder, in turn it is possible that the amount of powder that was consumed would be different (unburned powder in the ejecta)

[dudel]

Originally Posted by Brass Nazi

Not necessarily, If the bullet did not seal properly and the gas escaped around the bullet it would have decreased the chamber pressure. The varying chamber pressure would effect the rate of burn of the powder, in turn it is possible that the amount of powder that was consumed would be different (unburned powder in the ejecta)

Could be, but it would be hard to measure that. How much pressure do you need to lose to change the burn rate? However, assuming that is the case, it seems like another strike against the harder projectile. More unburnt powder is going to be a dirtier load as well.

The results of the chrono seemed to show that the lighter, harder bullets were slower than the heavier, softer ones (for what ever reason).

That was an eye opener for me the first time I read it. It's counter intuitive (at least it was for me), but I had similar results with 38 Special 148gr WC in a T/C barrel while lookling for accurate loads. The harder bullet did not shoot as well as the softer one. The harder bullet also leaded more in the throat.

[Brass Nazi]

Originally Posted by dudel

1. Could be, but it would be hard to measure that.

2. How much pressure do you need to lose to change the burn rate?

1. Yes it would

2. Any change in pressure has the potential to change the burn rate characteristic of a powder.


The reality is this issue may be insignificant but it cannot be ignored.

[GioaJack]

Cast your own. It's fun, it's easy, it's cheap and best of all you'll be able to make fun of C4W because he doesn't know how. Who could ask for anything more?

Jack

[shotgunred]

well you could do it send then send them to me.

40 SW 180 gr please.
That way you get to do it and have fun and I get to be lazy.